artemis

[Matteo Quagliano]

ok... my mistake... my consideration was at first regarding the vest (actually what it's mentioned in the statement you quote)... that at my sight has got something new... but may be it's me, didn't have that much of experience...

 

maqu

[Jerry Holway]

I don't know why everybody's knickers are in such a tight knot here.

 

Curt has done some interesting design work to make what he believes is a better stabilizer, as have hordes of other operators with their mods and tweaks, regardless of making a business of it..

 

What's invented? Let the courts decide, if and when it's worth the effort. The Artemis has lots of little tweaks that aren't on any other rigs. Whether I happen to like it, or buy it, etc., or not, is irrelevant.

 

What's frustrating is that the rudeness and snideness goes towards Curt so quickly. He is likely just checking the rig's balance in that photo, for instance, and the "discussion" gets off the point that the original poster did not make it clear he was advertising a workshop, which of course, is the point of this particular sub-forum.

 

I.e., Marty posted in the right place but was not articulate or clear.

 

A moderator could have asked him to edit his post.

 

Jerry

[RonBaldwin]

Jerry, didn't the masters series vest have a socket block that slid all the way down?

 

Personally I have no hatred for Curt, or even the guy that shows up on his first post promoting a sled that his friend "invented" (a poor word choice to be sure). All the steadicam manufacturers build on each other, some of the products are blatant rip-offs and others actually take things to the next level. Not sure what the Artemis sled has brought to the table besides a vest that looks strangely familiar as well as other components.

 

rb

[Jerry Holway]

Jerry, didn't the masters series vest have a socket block that slid all the way down?

 

Personally I have no hatred for Curt, or even the guy that shows up on his first post promoting a sled that his friend "invented" (a poor word choice to be sure). All the steadicam manufacturers build on each other, some of the products are blatant rip-offs and others actually take things to the next level. Not sure what the Artemis sled has brought to the table besides a vest that looks strangely familiar as well as other components.

 

rb

Ron,

 

Yes, on the MS vest the block could go way low (even off!) - some liked it. I happened to like the fit of the old model I, II, and III vests with the main spar inside, and the "Ultra" vest reflects that prejudice. With a little work, the Ultra vest spar can be moved to the outside like the MS vest, if that worked better for an operator. I happen to think a low block is unnecessary with the big boom range of the new arms, but that's just me. Others like it starting lower - Walter's drop down armature comes to mind - and that's fine with me. What works for you works for you.

 

I agree with everything in your big paragraph - even the original Steadicam patent had references to prior art - building on the work of others.

 

The one Curt tweak or invention that I remember fairly well when looking at a Sachtler arm was the method of flipping from regular to goofy - no "aircraft" quick pin - which made the arm very sleek and friendly in that region... perhaps it was a bit more difficult or required a tool (I can't remember) to make the flip, but it was clearly different than the other manufacturers...

 

Jerry

[RonBaldwin]

 

I happen to think a low block is unnecessary with the big boom range of the new arms, but that's just me.

 

The one Curt tweak or invention that I remember fairly well when looking at a Sachtler arm was the method of flipping from regular to goofy - no "aircraft" quick pin - which made the arm very sleek and friendly in that region... perhaps it was a bit more difficult or required a tool (I can't remember) to make the flip, but it was clearly different than the other manufacturers...

 

Jerry

 

that's what I love the most about the back mounted vest, the ability to have the gimbal really low without a j-bracket. Now that I also have a pro vest and switch back and forth, it's strange to go back to all the bracketry needed for certain lens heights, but each has it's own set of advantages. I always wondered why quick changes in a vest would ever be necessary (especially one to goofy) unless it's a rental or at a workshop. Seems most (all?) ops make the vest comfy then leave it for years and years.

 

rb

[JobScholtze]

After years of using the master vest, i just got my hands on a almost new looking master vest again. ( thx lynn and erwin ) and i am good for years to come. I love the vest and i love to have the socket block that low. I use to operate for the last couple of years and am so used to it. I also have the new ultra vest around, wich is for my rental rig. Most ops ask me if the socketblock can be lower, wich i will do someday soon. Its better to have the choice where to put the socketblock as to limit it imho.

 

J

[Markus Kuballa]

The one Curt tweak or invention that I remember fairly well when looking at a Sachtler arm was the method of flipping from regular to goofy - no "aircraft" quick pin - which made the arm very sleek and friendly in that region... perhaps it was a bit more difficult or required a tool (I can't remember) to make the flip, but it was clearly different than the other manufacturers...

 

Jerry

 

 

What I found interesting when I did the Artemis Workshop last year with sachtler was the fact that you take off the top stage and the gimbal and put the gimbal back on upside down for low mode. That way you can use the gimbal in the usual way when operating low mode. I don't know if thats also the way with other systems but with my U2 it is not.

 

Markus

[Alec Jarnagin SOC]

"What I found interesting when I did the Artemis Workshop last year with sachtler was the fact that you take off the top stage and the gimbal and put the gimbal back on upside down for low mode. That way you can use the gimbal in the usual way when operating low mode. I don't know if thats also the way with other systems but with my U2 it is not."

 

Markus,

 

You can do that with any system that has quick releases to pull the rig apart (i.e. PRO, XCS). I feel that is a bad habit to get into though as its one more step to get to low-mode and a step that adds too much time (I know, in theory it is fast - but time is one more factor we are measured on these days). Just operate off the post when in low mode or even above the gimbal (I'm not a fan of this but many are practiced at it now) so that you can keep the sled a little lower and use the existing hand grip. Alternatively, there are still a number of after market wrap grips available that you can slap on the post in five seconds but most of these are designed for a 1.5" post.

[Emre Tufekci]

The one Curt tweak or invention that I remember fairly well when looking at a Sachtler arm was the method of flipping from regular to goofy - no "aircraft" quick pin - which made the arm very sleek and friendly in that region... perhaps it was a bit more difficult or required a tool (I can't remember) to make the flip, but it was clearly different than the other manufacturers...

 

I tried to demo what I remember as an artemis Cine-HD about 8 years ago at NAB (I had just come out of a workshop). I asked the rep/operator who was running the rig if we could switch the system as I was a goofy foot (guilty :ph34r: ). About 3 tools and 20 minutes later he still couldnt switch it around so I thanked him for his time and walked away. I dont know maybe they fixed that or the op wasnt that familiar with the system but it definitely was not easy to switch.

 

In fact, I think I met up with you Jerry a few hours later at the tiffen booth and you flipped around a Clipper I think, tools free in about 2 minutes. My boss at the time was sold at that moment and put in an order for a rig.

[Jerry Holway]

 

I tried to demo what I remember as an artemis Cine-HD about 8 years ago at NAB (I had just come out of a workshop). I asked the rep/operator who was running the rig if we could switch the system as I was a goofy foot (guilty :ph34r: ). About 3 tools and 20 minutes later he still couldnt switch it around so I thanked him for his time and walked away. I dont know maybe they fixed that or the op wasnt that familiar with the system but it definitely was not easy to switch.

 

In fact, I think I met up with you Jerry a few hours later at the tiffen booth and you flipped around a Clipper I think, tools free in about 2 minutes. My boss at the time was sold at that moment and put in an order for a rig.

 

Emre - the one I saw was a couple of years ago at a mini workshop I did at ESPN... I sure it was easier to flip around than that!

 

Anyone know the arm that can clear this up?

 

Jerry

[Matteo Quagliano]

Now it flows much better... isn't it?

 

Regarding the vest, again my mystake not knowing Master Series vest possibility to have the block down under... I like it too even if I never try one... I know I'll like it because I fit the vest to be a little above the correct position so having the possibility to put the socket block there would be a great advantage for my operating... and put the weight in the perfect position for my back on THAT muscle...

 

maqu

[JobScholtze]

Now it flows much better... isn't it?

 

Regarding the vest, again my mystake not knowing Master Series vest possibility to have the block down under... I like it too even if I never try one... I know I'll like it because I fit the vest to be a little above the correct position so having the possibility to put the socket block there would be a great advantage for my operating... and put the weight in the perfect position for my back on THAT muscle...

 

maqu

I believe you could rebuild your vest to do the same maqu. Correct me if i am wrong, but your vest is almost the same as a u2 vest?

[Matteo Quagliano]

Hi Job.

 

I think it's very similar but a little smaller (it's the LX vest). How can I? I really would like to do that...

 

maqu

[chris fawcett]

Hi Job.

I think it's very similar but a little smaller (it's the LX vest). How can I? I really would like to do that...

maqu

You can do it. Just unscrew the chest spar, then reassemble the vest with the spar on the outside. Personally, I'm always trying to get my block higher. I prefer having the fixed point of the Steadicam arm closer to the fixed point of my own arm. It's a little more awkward, maybe (though I don't find it so), but it gets me a better boom range.

 

Chris

[Amando Crespo]

Curt Schaller invented the artemis camera stabilization system because he couldn't find a Steadicam vest to fit him. He is a vivacious, talented and seriously energetic man who loves to teach his craft. Come with your Steadicam vest and find out what makes him so special. Want details? marty@createasphere.com does the trick.

 

Hi, Marty!.

First, welcome to the forum. ;)

...mmm... TAKE IT EASY!

I can give you an advice, (humbly):

"The 3 monkeys rules". Not to hear, not to see, not to speak. At Spain, we said: "To see, to hear and don´t speak".

You have get more information about steadicam , almost CORRECT.

Try spend some time reading old post about steadicam history... Garret... J. H., G. P., R. L., and all people who increases a "camera stabilizator NOT invented for Mr. Satchler".

Best regards. B)