Workshop w/ Curt Schaller & the Artemis

[RonBaldwin]

One thing I first saw on a artemis rig was a monitor bracket that not only telescoped but also tilted.

inovation or invention?

 

I could be wrong... maybe they were not first... but I think they offered that feature first.

 

 

I first saw Jens using that monitor bracket several years ago -- I have been using it for almost 2 years now and love it. I still think the pro monitor bracket is the most solid, and now that it too is extendable (with spacers from pro) I might get one to try out since I still see a bit of vibration when flying with heavier monitors

 

rb.

[Jens Piotrowski SOC]

"The new rig features another first, a keyed! carbon fiber inner post."

 

I assume by keyed, you mean a slit or grove cut into the inner post. If that is the case, it is an invitation for colossal failure when it comes to carbon fiber. If you just mean printed lines, XCS has been doing that for years.

 

Hi Alec,

 

yes, there are multiple grooves, I believe 5, cut into the inner post. What makes you think that this is not tested and approved, Sachtler is one of the most innovative companies, when it comes to carbon fiber usage.

 

Look at the tripods and the arm bones that they made from carbon fiber.

 

http://shop.artemis-hd.com/en/Spring-Arm/Arm-ACT2-/-Carbon/Spring-Arm-ACT2-Carbon-/-26-kg-57-3-lbs-_.html

 

this is German engineering at it's best....it works.

[Alec Jarnagin SOC]

Crabon fiber gets it's streagth from the cross weaving of the fibers. To cut into that and lessan the thickness is asking for trouble. Will it fail??? Who knows, but there is a reason XCS (and I think Tiffen???) use markings instead of grooves.

[Tomas Riuka]

Crabon fiber gets it's streagth from the cross weaving of the fibers. To cut into that and lessan the thickness is asking for trouble. Will it fail??? Who knows, but there is a reason XCS (and I think Tiffen???) use markings instead of grooves.

 

I tried new sachtler system, it has single thread on the post, nice idea. Re the arm, i have to say it looks better in a photo than in reality. I was considering purchasing, but after a demo tryout, i don't think it's worth the money, especially carbon fiber version. Expected alot ,but was disappointed. But the rig seemed solid.

[Sydney Seeber]

Sachtler is one of the most innovative companies, when it comes to carbon fiber usage.

 

Look at the tripods and the arm bones that they made from carbon fiber.

 

I do agree that Sachtler does make some kick-ass products, I've got several things made by them including tripods and such. However, that link you posted there... Dunno about that arm. Having cracked a ton of bike parts due to nicks and whatnot, I'm not so sure I want those arm parts made from the same material. Posts are made from carbon fiber, but there's relatively little shear force on a steadicam post or tripod leg. I can tell you first hand that one little nick in something made from CF can easily create a big crack or worse when shear or torsional pressure is applied... It's no fun replacing a $3000 mountain bike frame

[Dean Smollar]

Crabon fiber gets it's streagth from the cross weaving of the fibers. To cut into that and lessan the thickness is asking for trouble. Will it fail??? Who knows, but there is a reason XCS (and I think Tiffen???) use markings instead of grooves.

 

I tried new sachtler system, it has single thread on the post, nice idea. Re the arm, i have to say it looks better in a photo than in reality. I was considering purchasing, but after a demo tryout, i don't think it's worth the money, especially carbon fiber version. Expected alot ,but was disappointed. But the rig seemed solid.

 

The arm is just a IIIA with minor tweaks (their words, not mine).

[Jess Haas SOC]

I assume by keyed, you mean a slit or grove cut into the inner post. If that is the case, it is an invitation for colossal failure when it comes to carbon fiber.

While I haven't seen how they do it I can think of atleast a couple of safe ways to achieve this so I wouldn't be too certain.

[Eric Fletcher S.O.C.]

I assume by keyed, you mean a slit or grove cut into the inner post. If that is the case, it is an invitation for colossal failure when it comes to carbon fiber.

While I haven't seen how they do it I can think of atleast a couple of safe ways to achieve this so I wouldn't be too certain.

 

 

any sharp transition in composites is a stress riser. I agree with Alec "Keying" a carbon post is a bad idea and will have at best the same tolerance as a line and alignment mark. They are making something out of nothing

[Jess Haas SOC]

What I meant was they may have simply figured out a way to create the keyed effect without actually cutting a groove in the carbon fiber. Don't know as I haven't looked at their product that closely.

[JobScholtze]

There is a line in there, but not the whole cut. Meaning, the inner post is so thick that the groove made in there dasnt effect the strenght of that post.

[Anders Holck Petersen]

Why all that negative energy?

 

It seems to me that Dean had a great time at the workshop, and just wanted to tell about his experiences.

I can't see why anyone should attack him for this.

 

I met Curt a few years ago and he seems like a nice guy. He also seemed interested in making some nice equipment and I must say that I very much respect what he has created at Sachtler.

I really like options: the more the merrier.

 

It's also great to have a steadicam pruduct line from an "european" manufacturer (besides Howard)

 

While I personally have my Ultra2, Flyer Le, and GPI Pro rigs, and no sachtler or MKV stuff, it's really great to have a producer nearby.

 

Can't see why we need to discuss this "he didnt invent that" every time.

 

Also be aware that sometimes the language barrier can make some statements distorted into something that wasn't intended....

[JobScholtze]

So true Anders, so true

[sebastien BARBARA]

I tried this new rig model from sachtler at Satis in Paris. The post is huge now and allows the new feature: by moving a mass (or the inner post itself I didn't ask) you can tune very precisely the lenght of the post (or the placement of the mass inside) in a second by rotating a kind of hand grip lower on the post. Not sure I'm very clear but I can tell you it is very pleasant to adjust the drop time so easily, whithout even having to place the post at horizontal. A quick way to move from a very tilted shot to a more windy one:) Or to find easily a 6 seconds drop time:)

It is a feature who seems like the micrometric control of the plate applied to the post.