Dp7pro high bright

[William Demeritt]

Being from Vancouver, I am fully accustomed to the rain and the Cinetronic has problems in the rain.

 

What have you encountered?

[Afton Grant]

 

Being from Vancouver, I am fully accustomed to the rain and the Cinetronic has problems in the rain.

 

What have you encountered?

 

 

I had frequent problems with mine in the rain as well. The most common had to do with water on the touchscreen. It would activate buttons at random (switching inputs during a shot, changing brightness, etc), and then trying to navigate the menus to fix it proved nearly impossible as your fingers were competing with any droplet of water on the screen. One particularly rainy night, the monitor just seemed to give up and give me a blank screen, regardless of what I did.

 

I've since sold my monitor, so I don't know what the latest is. Chris did say at the time they were working on a button lockout feature, or some other solution to the water on the touchscreen issue. I can see this solving the random button activation during a shot issue. However, as soon as you unlock the buttons, your fingers will again be competing with the water on the screen. Probably best to keep an umbrella and towel handy.

[Justin Besser]

I've had many problems with water on the touchscreen, even with the lockout on the latest firmware, still doesn't make a difference .. lockout means you have to touch the button for more than 2 seconds.. a water droplet will mimic that same touch ..
I tape a piece of plastic over the touchscreen when it rains .. but doesn't live up to the waterproof or resistant feature ..

[Daniel Mimura]

Really?

 

Quincy, do you use a rain cover?

 

Is the problem the touch screen like others are talking about?

Edited April 27, 2014 by Daniel Mimura

[Iain Baird]

I just bought the DP7 last week - I'm very impressed with the build, the software and the quality of the image. I've been using it as an board operating monitor, I'm working on a portable handheld monitor setup and I'm trying to put together a practical way to use it as a FIZ mobile monitor. But for whatever reason that I can't explain beyond the basic anti refelctive variable, it doesn't come close to the overall view-ability of my Cinetronic Gen2. As has been well discussed the Cinetronic has failed in a few important departments and the DP-7 in my limited experience has lived up to all expectations - but if I had to I'd still choose the Gen 2 for my Sled. Knowing I'll always be able see my frame overrules all.

 

IB

[Afton Grant]

but if I had to I'd still choose the Gen 2 for my Sled. Knowing I'll always be able see my frame overrules all.

 

IB

 

Can't see your frame if it changes inputs or shuts down in the middle of a shot though, I don't care how bright the picture is.

[chris bangma]

Gen2+ will have touch buttons unaffected by rain.

[Brian Freesh]

Iain, you bought the HB right? I assume so, but worth asking. The SB and OLED won't compare. The HB will never be as viewable as the Gen2, probably not even the Gen1. The DP7 is more reflective and loses viewability more easily when not looking dead on. I still think it's a great day bright steadi monitor, just don't expect it to match the cinetronic on that level.

 

Check in with Josh Gitersonke, he's done lots of testing and may have some thoughts that could help you out.

[Iain Baird]

 

but if I had to I'd still choose the Gen 2 for my Sled. Knowing I'll always be able see my frame overrules all.

 

IB

 

Can't see your frame if it changes inputs or shuts down in the middle of a shot though, I don't care how bright the picture is.

 

 

Couldn't agree more, it hasn't happened to me yet - but reading your accounts of a yet another issue to worry about certainly refreshed an anger I've directed at my purchase a few times. I've had a good relationship with Chris Bagma but I've been far from thrilled with the Product.

 

BUT......

 

I really want him to succeed and I suppose have endured far more trials in the process then I would normally deem acceptable under any normal circumstances. On a thread a while back I referred to a list we all made up describing the dream monitor for our Steadicam needs which Chris had endeavoured to produce. Cinetronic is a little guy with a little market but yet swung for the fences. Gen 1 was pretty good apparently, good enough that Gen 2 was born. Gen 2 has been software disappointment, and some hardware issues to boot. But now theres a Gen 2 HD so the progress has continued, hopefully a PSF solution is around the corner and the buttons won't be so sensitive to water on the next build - but these all take time. Sure there are big companies that might beat Cinetronic to the punch but will any of them care about YOU, the Steadicam OP? Not likely, they are building an EVF that they hope you'll buy. So as much as I hate the problems that come with it I like having it on my Sled and hope in time it catches up with the dream we all once had.

 

IB

[Iain Baird]

Ian, you bought the HB right? I assume so, but worth asking. The SB and OLED won't compare. The HB will never be as viewable as the Gen2, probably not even the Gen1. The DP7 is more reflective and loses viewability more easily when not looking dead on. I still think it's a great day bright steadi monitor, just don't expect it to match the cinetronic on that level.

 

Check in with Josh Gitersonke, he's done lots of testing and may have some thoughts that could help you out.

 

Yes it's an HB. So far I have no issues that need any help - I was just pointing out that even though they are both rated at 1500 the view-ability is far from the same. It wouldn't make the worst backup but I wouldn't want it at my main monitor.

 

IB

[Brian Freesh]

My mistake, your concerns were large enough to bring up on the forum, I assumed you would welcome any assistance to alleviate them :)

 

Yours seems to be performing worse than what I've seen, that's why I suggested contacting Josh. If you wouldn't use it as a main due to day bright visibility performance (or lack of), then yours doesn't live up to the hype. It definitely won't match the Gen2, but it shouldn't be so far off as you are suggesting, based on my experience comparing Josh's DP7 with my Gen2.

[Iain Baird]

My mistake, your concerns were large enough to bring up on the forum, I assumed you would welcome any assistance to alleviate them :)

 

Yours seems to be performing worse than what I've seen, that's why I suggested contacting Josh. If you wouldn't use it as a main due to day bright visibility performance (or lack of), then yours doesn't live up to the hype. It definitely won't match the Gen2, but it shouldn't be so far off as you are suggesting, based on my experience comparing Josh's DP7 with my Gen2.

 

Any knowledge is always welcome so I'm sorry if I seemed dismissive. I'm not sure where I expressed concerns but perhaps it was lost in the syntax.

 

In my limited comparison I wouldn't say that the DP7 is miles behind the Gen 2 but theres still a gap between the two in my experience.

 

IB

[Afton Grant]

Gen2+ will have touch buttons unaffected by rain.

 

So customers have to buy an upgrade to fix a problem in a monitor they already paid for?

[chris bangma]

The touch technology was the best available at the time I designed it over 3 years ago. Now better chips are available. Afton I still don't see why you need to continually complain about a monitor you no longer own.

 

Maybe you should buy the smallhd HB, which ironically has a high bright screen that my partner Mike and I designed and manufactured.

[Joshua Gitersonke]

I have had the Smallhd for a while and Haven't had any problems with it. In Most conditions its perfectly bright enough.

The reflections are the only problem. I would actually say that the SmallHD is a tiny bit more bright when looked at straight on, That being said the Cinetronic excels in the situations the Smallhd has problems (reflections). Which can be tough to see through. Especially with the polycarbonate screen protector on it. But taking the screen protector off isn't a good idea. The Nushield Ar screen protector they send with monitors has some effect on the reflections but it doesn't help perfectly.

I actually just ordered a Gen2 myself. I worked out in Agua dulce for a month and the Smallhd sucked in enough dust through the fan port that there was always dust on the face of screen in-between the protector. I had to take the protector off 5 or 6 times a day to clean it. I look forward to the sealed design of the Cinetronic.

I don't have a specific plan of which one is the backup monitor but I liked them both of them.