Premium Members Charles Papert Posted April 11, 2013 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Just as the 5D promoted an entire generation to shoot at absurdly shallow f-stops and hunt for focus, I'm sure Youtube and Vimeo will soon be swarmed with a plethora of badly designed, poorly framed, endlessly long, gimmicky tracking shots. Yay! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Joshua Gitersonke Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 The larger version of this will be what is the game changer. The M10 is going to kickstart the ideas of how to use this. I think the M20 will be best suited to being attached to a steadi arm or an easy rig. But after touching this thing at Nab... It is the future of a lot of filming. It's smooth, intuitive, and easy to use. the Majestic mode will take the most practice. if you want to use this thing as a steadicam (single operator) you will be practicing a little bit with framing. But really, if you dial it in with the software I can imagine you will be able to frame just fine after some practice. In the 2 person mode you could have a PA run with the camera, heck you could have the most uncoordinated PA actually holding the rig. As long as he can hit a mark and you have someone operating remotely that has talent your gonna come up with a pretty sweet shot. I hate to say it but the addition of another operator is really not that big a deal. The skill required to hold the device is marginal... if anything. For all of you thinking this isn't gonna take your job as a steadicam operator... your right. it's not gonna take it, it's gonna change it. Eventually. Also, the M10 is light... I could run around with this thing for a while... Even with the full 13-14 lb set up... It's surprisingly light. It's not gonna break anyones back. The people that are still using large cameras have a while before this infects your part of the industry but not long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Joshua Gitersonke Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 If you play video games your gonna be in your element with this thing and make it shine. If you have never touched a remote control car or video game, you have a long road ahead of you getting used to operating this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Joshua Gitersonke Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 To be honest I didn't want to put it down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members William Demeritt Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 If you play video games your gonna be in your element with this thing and make it shine. Finally, I have my edge! You're all screwed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members William Demeritt Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 DOuble post. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Victor Lazaro Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 What you said Victor, you forgot to mention rollerblades. Not sure it will scale up very well to alexa size weight though. Alexa-M ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris gonzalez Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 ke the steadicam, now there are new ways of telling a story, and isn't that what cinematography is all about? i just got back from NAB and the rig demos were blowing people away. they knocked this one out of the park. Chris, did you try the unit yourself? I see that this unit can change the industry in some parts, but I really don't understand how one can shoot with an Alexa with this for several takes, let alone a whole day. You don't have the vest and arm to hold it up for you. Only your hands. And it's not like it's resting on your shoulder. You're holding the rig away from your body. And such creating muscle tension between your shoulder blades. I've shot a lot on cameras like the EX-3 and F-3, and without any support, my back starts bitching after about 5 minutes of operating. I know this isn't supposed to be shot with for many minutes, but I don't get the physical use of the unit. Seems to me there's a component missing. LE Yes, I did try it at NAB. I built a smaller version for my Sony NEX5 and it felt very similar, only bigger, totally silent (my rig emits a high pitched whine) and much more polished, of course. I feel that there is an air of resentment or apprehension from the steadicam community and it reminds me of the time when animators felt threatened by computer aided animation software since "you don't even have to draw anymore." As I said in an earlier post, it will not replace your rigs. Yes the handheld version could wear on you, (whoever designed the EX3 was not an ENG guy that's for sure) but it would be trivial to create a mount for an arm. I mounted mine on a merlin and now it will work with my arm/vest. Yes, there will be countless youtube videos with "why the hell did he do that" shots, but at the end of the day, its all about the filmmakers that know how to use the language properly. And, yes it will scale, absolutely. It will require bigger, heavier motors for those big camera builds, but guess what, now that G70 arm is looking really nice. It will be cool to go over this thread in a year or two and see how the attitudes will have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Lars Erik Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Chris, just because some of us don't bow down and chant hallelujah at first sight when new tech is shown, don't necessarily mean we resent it. I do remember when the likes of 5D came along, and everybody said "ohh...game changer". Not so. 5D's have gotten a place in the industry. But game changer, hardly. I'm not saying this about this unit, after all, I haven't tried it yet. It basically needs to be on set for a while to see how it works out in the really real world. Not just at NAB. LE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Joshua Gitersonke Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Here's the thing. I went by the booth multiple times. I never saw anyone having trouble with it. Either figuring out how to use it or a malfunction. It seemed to work without hitch for hours. Im glad I've played enough Portal to make using this not too much of a stretch. It does seem like there's apprehension. The funny thing is the gear need to run this thing, follow focus, wireless video, Steadi arm...., we all own. To be honest I'd rather have it on a Steadi arm than a easyrig. You could possibly get in smaller spaces with a vest an arm. The easyrig makes you a Christmas ornament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Lars Erik Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Here's the thing. I went by the booth multiple times. I never saw anyone having trouble with it. Either figuring out how to use it or a malfunction. It seemed to work without hitch for hours. Im glad I've played enough Portal to make using this not too much of a stretch. It does seem like there's apprehension. The funny thing is the gear need to run this thing, follow focus, wireless video, Steadi arm...., we all own. To be honest I'd rather have it on a Steadi arm than a easyrig. You could possibly get in smaller spaces with a vest an arm. The easyrig makes you a Christmas ornament. Good thing I've been a hopeless gamer all my life. From the ZX Spectrum to Commodore 64, Amiga 500 (The King), Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360, PS3 and soon the PS4. Bring it on! Commander Shepard out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Joshua Gitersonke Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Dbl post.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mike Marriage Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I think people are sick of hype and everything being proclaimed as a "game changer." This thread is mostly positive about the product itself with a number of rational reservations. Don't get me wrong, new tools and genuine innovation are great, it's often the BS PR that can leave a bad taste and cause a grumpy backlash. I feel that there is an air of resentment or apprehension from the steadicam community and it reminds me of the time when animators felt threatened by computer aided animation software since "you don't even have to draw anymore." As I said in an earlier post, it will not replace your rigs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Twojay Dhillon Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 In the 2 person mode you could have a PA run with the camera, heck you could have the most uncoordinated PA actually holding the rig. As long as he can hit a mark and you have someone operating remotely that has talent your gonna come up with a pretty sweet shot. I hate to say it but the addition of another operator is really not that big a deal. The skill required to hold the device is marginal... if anything. For all of you thinking this isn't gonna take your job as a steadicam operator... your right. it's not gonna take it, it's gonna change it. Eventually. Also, the M10 is light... I could run around with this thing for a while... Even with the full 13-14 lb set up... It's surprisingly light. It's not gonna break anyones back. The people that are still using large cameras have a while before this infects your part of the industry but not long. An uncoordinated PA "hitting marks holding a camera". That's the future of our department/niche? Seriously? Let's scale back the fanboy-ism a bit here, please. I'm all for this invention being able to perform some function within cinematography (and it will be limited, just as the Steadicam is limited) but statements like the one above are just plain silly and not based in any real-world on-set reality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Joshua Gitersonke Posted April 11, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 All I meant was the harder part of the equation was operating remotely. Obviously it's going to take a head on your shoulders and an eye to make it happen. I'm not a fanboy. Just being realistic of what people will see in this device. I don't think it's going to negate a steadicam. I'm not making a crazy statement. Put it this way. Try on a steadicam as an amature, it'll be like your on a boat. Pick this up as an amature... You can make nice movement slow or fast. Even in the singe operator mode. I love my steadicam and it won't replace it. But you have to realize the simplicity of the device. Get on the Movi boat or don't. People will probably use it with varying degrees of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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