Premium Members brett.mayfield Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 after watching the videos from anouther source I came straight to the forum, thinking, maybe ill be able to post first...bested again. it seems like it could have its applicaitons, but what seems strange to me is the commentary when, i believe vincent, mentions 'one operator is in control of movement, and one operator is in control of framing.' but the two arent mutually exclusive. the handheld operator will be trying to frame while the AC is trying to move the camera. then do we need another person on FIZ? As a gearhead, my interest is peaked and id love to get my hands on one. as a camera operator, im skeptical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 This might be something to add to the kit for very specific scenarios, but I don't think that it can replace a Steadicam on its own. For one, you have to add a gimbal operator since it's basically a stabilized drone gimbal with handles. producers won't save any money because of the extra operator, and both operators still have to know what they're doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 After further inspection, what kills this product is the pan and tilt delays... Watch the short film, and you'll see how bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Hugh Bell Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 The rig has a 'majestic mode' which allows for single operation. It basically smooths out all motion on pan and tilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Hey Hugh, I see that you're the creative director over at Freefly. Maybe you can give us a better look at this equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Hugh Bell Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 We will be at NAB next week - booth C9848. Following that if anyone in LA wants to try it out, just get in touch with me a I can arrange a demo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I just had a thought: If you made a bracket to mount this to the top sled, could you effectively make an AR style rig? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Swanstrom Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Thats what I keep thinking Alan. I see a limitations in the design for something like that but it is definitely feasible. Maybe not full AR style but certainly close. I don't think it can rotate far enough. Also with the m20. I think you could easily fly a decent cine style epic with mattebox. The wireless transmitter and mdr could be mounted to the frame of the rig and tethered. This is a rig that will effect the steadicam market. It won't replace it but it will certainly make waves, especially in the commercial production company sector. A company I work with a lot that does mid level commercials with light weight epics could easily afford the m-10. Though I would recommend that they wait for the m20 as an epic with a redvolt and no follow focus is rather limiting. I keep picturing this device at the end of an atlas arm. I mean I can't say for sure until I get my hands on one but I want to add it to the kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Matthew L. Perez Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Someone I work with that doesn't do steadicam. Told me I may of bought my steadicam system too soon. I'm a new operator and I enjoy my flyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mike Marriage Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 It is always great to see to see new innovations and this will be a great tool for certain shots such as less precise, fast, wide moves. However, I don't see it replacing Steadicam for the majority of applications. Issues being: 1) Requires 2 specialist operators, adding expense. 2) The control appears less precise than Steadicam (partly due to 1). Some of the framing in the demo isn't great. 3) Limited capacity. 4) Cost too high to just "have on the truck" like a GoPro. It costs as much or more than a similar capacity Steadicam. 5) As Charles points out it lacks spatial stabilization. Longer lens work would highlight this. I don't see it as a threat to Steadicam but had I just bought a Tango I may be regretting it. This appears to cover that niche quite well. I would love to put one through its paces in person, I hope to see one in the UK soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members JobScholtze Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Will this be at cinegear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Ken Nguyen Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Using 18mm and 24mm lenses, most of those demo shots can be done using a Fig Rig. Only one operator is needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burton Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) I've been researching similar tech for months all be it based around smaller cameras currently, see the link for a very prominent developer - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1815204. Its super exciting stuff and even an open source version is being developed along side many other copies and variants - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1829058 What this means is you could well see very reasonably priced systems in the future, I've been playing around designing a system initially for smaller DSLR type cameras that includes a 4th axis for vertical movement but as the tech progresses could easily be adapted to larger cams. Add a small thumb joystick to pan tilt and even roll allowing a single operator no problems with single user operation. The current systems suit very light gopro or small mirrorless cams like the EOS-M and NEX as they have to be balanced just like a normall steadicam, the motors just keep the axis level with as little force needing to be applied the better. As I say its early days as the main development is taking place for aerial vidoegraphy but the community is massive and thriving and its only a matter of time until things get much more advanced. I was going to post hear a few weeks ago to get feedback on my ideas hoever freefly have got the ball rolling very nicely in opening this up to the film community with a very nice workable system. The potential is awesome it really is ! Edited April 5, 2013 by Matt Burton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Papastavrou Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) I'm sure I'm not the only one that realizes that it is a filming oriented multicopter's camera gimbal, with handles and probably some costume software. Those things have really nice electronically controlled tilt/roll compensation modules. Expensive too... Nice implementation. PS:oops... took too much time to post... Edited April 5, 2013 by Stavros Papastavrou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Hugh Bell Posted April 5, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Job, Yes, this will also be at Cinegear. Booth 37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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