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Jeremy:

 

It would be good to keep in mind the Lemo connector with pinouts that Alec detailed, along with the Tiffen standard (is it still the Hirose?) for monitor connections. Thanks!

 

 

Here are some specs from the brochure we are putting together:

 

 

AV Connections AV IN: AV in Cable & Microphone

AV OUT: AV/OUT Cable & Earphone

Power Built-in Li-Polymer Rechargeable Cell

 

Accessories AV INPUT Cable, AV OUTPUT Cable

Mini-USB Cable, AC Power Adaptor

Surround Sound Theater Quality

Earphone, Special Screen Cleaning

Cloth, Soft Zip Up Carrying Case.

 

 

? USB 2.0 Bi-Directional Transfer to PC devices - Rocket ship data transfer !

? Automatic Operation - Select N Press Auto Slides

? Fully Upgradeable NextLINK Technology

? On-Board AV Input, Output, Hset, USB 2.0, MIC

? Self-Contained Rechargeable Li-Polymer Cell

 

 

I do not think that we have the connector like you describe. However, we CAN make these things if there is a big enough market or on special order. I think there is a big enough market so I will push in that direction. But let me ask first: Is it possible to take the set-up we have here and do an external solution through cabling or accessories? That would be much cheaper for the end user and take less time to develop.

 

BTW: I did some checking and, while we do not have the connectors (yet) we CAN add water resistance to the list of features. We have a special process that adds ~$150 to the price and an additional 5 days for delivery.

 

Please do get back to me on the external connector possibility. I would like to start working on it ASAP either way.

 

Isn't this FUN!? Thanks for all the input guys, I think I can really put out something that will make you all VERY happy.

 

 

 

One last thing:

 

Take a look at this on my website:

 

http://avwirelesstech.com/AV-productinfo/c...aview-1000.html

 

I initially thought that this would be a GREAT solution, but I have heard from a very prestigious and experienced steadycam operator that a similar unit was tried before but was found to be unworkable. I suspected that there might be a problem, basically getting the optical neurology to assimilate this type of interface without causing motion sickness, dizziness, and allowing for coordinated movement (my first love is the neurosciences). What do you guys think? Anyone else tried something like this? Anyone else on a set, other than steadycam ops that could use something like this?

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One last thing:

 

Take a look at this on my website:

 

http://avwirelesstech.com/AV-productinfo/c...aview-1000.html

 

I initially thought that this would be a GREAT solution, but I have heard from a very prestigious and experienced steadycam operator that a similar unit was tried before but was found to be unworkable. I suspected that there might be a problem, basically getting the optical neurology to assimilate this type of interface without causing motion sickness, dizziness, and allowing for coordinated movement (my first love is the neurosciences). What do you guys think? Anyone else tried something like this? Anyone else on a set, other than steadycam ops that could use something like this?

 

 

Worst Idea EVER for Steadicam

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Hi Jeremy,

 

There are a number of reasons the optical projector is not (yet) a viable alternative to the common monitor.

 

- The Steadicam relies upon the mass of the monitor in order to properly balance, as well as provide inertia.

 

- An optical monitor would require a cable interface between itself and the camera. Any cable not completely isolated on the sled can hinder the performance of the system.

 

- Operators greatly rely upon peripheral vision to navigate the terrain as they shoot. Having a large part of your vision constantly blocked out would make it difficult to find your marks, as well as be simply dangerous.

 

 

Those are just a few disadvantages to an optical system like that. I'll never say it'll never happen - who knows what will show up in the future. For now, however, the CRT's and LCD's will stay.

 

Best,

Afton

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Hi Jeremy,

 

There are a number of reasons the optical projector is not (yet) a viable alternative to the common monitor.

 

- The Steadicam relies upon the mass of the monitor in order to properly balance, as well as provide inertia.

 

- An optical monitor would require a cable interface between itself and the camera. Any cable not completely isolated on the sled can hinder the performance of the system.

 

- Operators greatly rely upon peripheral vision to navigate the terrain as they shoot. Having a large part of your vision constantly blocked out would make it difficult to find your marks, as well as be simply dangerous.

 

 

Those are just a few disadvantages to an optical system like that. I'll never say it'll never happen - who knows what will show up in the future. For now, however, the CRT's and LCD's will stay.

 

Best,

Afton

 

 

Thanks! I am pretty sure I could get past the first two problems, but that third is rather insurmountable for this application. Pretty much what I thought.

 

One last thing:

 

Take a look at this on my website:

 

http://avwirelesstech.com/AV-productinfo/c...aview-1000.html

 

I initially thought that this would be a GREAT solution, but I have heard from a very prestigious and experienced steadycam operator that a similar unit was tried before but was found to be unworkable. I suspected that there might be a problem, basically getting the optical neurology to assimilate this type of interface without causing motion sickness, dizziness, and allowing for coordinated movement (my first love is the neurosciences). What do you guys think? Anyone else tried something like this? Anyone else on a set, other than steadycam ops that could use something like this?

 

 

Worst Idea EVER for Steadicam

 

Thank you for your input.

 

Give me time, I can come up with much worse!

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Jermey,

 

External solutions are not good. Plug'n play is the way to go. As it is cables fail; you don't want a cable that is overly-complicated on top of this. Besides, we all have a bunch of cables made at various lengths to accommodate our various set-ups. Plug'n play is a must. Please re-read my last post as I point to issues with two channels of video, framelines, etc. There is a very good reason that we do it the way we do. Yes, it might cost a little more, but for the most part we are not a financially squeamish lot (don't take that as a blank check - just saying I think most of us would gladly pay for these features).

 

Something that occurred to me yesterday on-set, if you include a frameline generator, multiple pages of memory is a wonderful thing. I day-play a lot between shows and my TB-6 has eight pages of memory for framelines. It is very nice to be able to return to show and simply call up the framelines for that particular camera body & tap.

 

 

Oh, lets not turn this thread into the whole virtual reality goggle thing - it will just muck up the point of this one. If you want to talk about that please start a new thread (or if you look, you could probably find one to reopen). Many thanks.

 

Cheers,

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Jermey,

 

External solutions are not good. Plug'n play is the way to go. As it is cables fail; you don't want a cable that is overly-complicated on top of this. Besides, we all have a bunch of cables made at various lengths to accommodate our various set-ups. Plug'n play is a must. Please re-read my last post as I point to issues with two channels of video, framelines, etc. There is a very good reason that we do it the way we do. Yes, it might cost a little more, but for the most part we are not a financially squeamish lot (don't take that as a blank check - just saying I think most of us would gladly pay for these features).

 

Something that occurred to me yesterday on-set, if you include a frameline generator, multiple pages of memory is a wonderful thing. I day-play a lot between shows and my TB-6 has eight pages of memory for framelines. It is very nice to be able to return to show and simply call up the framelines for that particular camera body & tap.

 

 

Oh, lets not turn this thread into the whole virtual reality goggle thing - it will just muck up the point of this one. If you want to talk about that please start a new thread (or if you look, you could probably find one to reopen). Many thanks.

 

Cheers,

 

 

Alrighty, we can do it as you suggested. It shouldn't be a problem to add, I just wanted to confirm that it was the only way to go.

 

The framlines and level thing will have to wait for the second gen stuff, but we are already working on it.

 

The VR thing I was just throwing out there to see what people said about it. A more resounding no could not have been had, and that is fine. After my first response from the steadycam community, I didn't think it was the way to go, but I wanted to make sure that I understood all of the issues invloved.

 

Thanks again guys!

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Jeremy--

 

While I make cables at will, I feel that Alec's thoughts on plug-and-play are spot on here.

 

You are however facing two groups, one who needs a Lemo 8-pin and another group seeking a 4-pin HR-101 connector.

 

Both would make a nice feature since we all bail someone out sooner or later with gear swaps and coverage. The added cost would be minimal considering the peace of mind bridge you would be helping to build.

 

Some of the features you are touting here might be a bit of extra fluff, such as the sound or on-board battery, since most of us have an extensive and expensive battery set to power our Steadicam® rigs. Perhaps some of the sound or battery features could be options that happen with orders...

 

Also, define your use of "water resistance." This can mean many things to many different people, especially those of us who spend time aboard boats.

 

I am thrilled that you have chosen to rise to the challenge of this project!

 

Best,

 

Brant

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Jeremy--

 

While I make cables at will, I feel that Alec's thoughts on plug-and-play are spot on here.

 

You are however facing two groups, one who needs a Lemo 8-pin and another group seeking a 4-pin HR-101 connector.

 

Both would make a nice feature since we all bail someone out sooner or later with gear swaps and coverage. The added cost would be minimal considering the peace of mind bridge you would be helping to build.

 

Some of the features you are touting here might be a bit of extra fluff, such as the sound or on-board battery, since most of us have an extensive and expensive battery set to power our Steadicam® rigs. Perhaps some of the sound or battery features could be options that happen with orders...

 

Also, define your use of "water resistance." This can mean many things to many different people, especially those of us who spend time aboard boats.

 

I am thrilled that you have chosen to rise to the challenge of this project!

 

Best,

 

Brant

 

 

Both the lemo 8 pin and the HR-101 4 pin are completely doable. We do, however, run into market dynamics after a certain point. The version I am putting on my website now is the most general version possible to appeal to both steadycam operators as well as anyone else in the industry. This beginning broad approach makes the most people happy. We can then narrow down specific product specs to make specific groups especially happy. The more specific, however, the higher the cost and the more time to manufacture.

 

This is not to say that I am in any way unwilling to make the units as described. It is just explination as to why I am going to broach a subject that many might have considered settled; that being, could I make a model with a lemo connector and provide a small adapter for a HR-101? If it is possible to do this, I can make more of the lemo connector versions at a time with less training of workers, keep more in stock, and have a faster turn-around time.

 

The film industry, when they decide they want something, want it NOW, as you all most likely know. As an example, I am working on a transmitter/reciever order now for a major studio to provide a unit that was, specifically out of stock when it was ordered. Now the engineering staff is pressuring the buyer to pressure me to speed up the process to get them the units, which, officially, were not going to be available until next month, NOW. While they are quite understanding about what is holding things up, I am a stickler for customer service and I HATE thinking that I am dissapointing my customers. This is why I want to keep the units themselves as general use as possible. If there is no other way, I will make them as specific as anyone wants, (you need it in pink with yellow polka dots, I can do it) but it will need to be understood that this product will not get to you in the standard film industry time schedule of NOW.

 

However, if there are MANY people who can agree on what is needed in a specific model, then we can make those, keep them in stock, and be good to go when a customer pick's up the phone.

 

As to the water resistance, that is a difficult thing to put a quantitative number on. Specifically, the water-proofing (bad term as NOTHING is water-proof) was designed to prevent damage to the unit if the unit is caught in rain, as opposed to, say, full immersion in water. I don't doubt that they could survive full imersion, I just don't recommend it. For those on a boat, you are good for spray, but if you drop it over the side, don't expect to be able to call your dive team to revocer it and be able to get right back to work. However, if it DOES go over the side and you DO get right back to work after recovery, ther is a 50% discount coupon waiting for you if you tell the story in a testimonial!

 

:)

 

-Jeremy Hawkins

www.avwirelesstech.com

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Well, my vote would be for the Lemo over the HRS, but gee what a surprise...that's what my rig uses. I'm sure everyone who is cabled for the HRS would vote the other way.

 

One objective note is that the Lemo is much more rugged than the HRS and would thus stand up to more abuse.

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Well, my vote would be for the Lemo over the HRS, but gee what a surprise...that's what my rig uses. I'm sure everyone who is cabled for the HRS would vote the other way.

 

One objective note is that the Lemo is much more rugged than the HRS and would thus stand up to more abuse.

 

If an adapter is an option, I would usually find it easier to start with an 8 pin and reduce to a four as opposed to the other way, so unless there are many more HRS then lemo, then that would probably be the way to go.

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Well, my vote would be for the Lemo over the HRS, but gee what a surprise...that's what my rig uses. I'm sure everyone who is cabled for the HRS would vote the other way.

 

One objective note is that the Lemo is much more rugged than the HRS and would thus stand up to more abuse.

 

If an adapter is an option, I would usually find it easier to start with an 8 pin and reduce to a four as opposed to the other way, so unless there are many more HRS then lemo, then that would probably be the way to go.

 

 

OK EVERYONE: The First generation monitor specs are up!

 

http://avwirelesstech.com/AV-productinfo/c...dia-system.html

 

 

This should beat, by far, everything else available on the market. We will continue to dial in the rest of the requested add-ons, but this is ready to go now, and its pretty good.

 

Pictures will be added later today (maybe tomorrow)

 

-Jeremy Hawkins

www.AVWirelesstech.com

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OK EVERYONE: The First generation monitor specs are up!

 

http://avwirelesstech.com/AV-productinfo/c...dia-system.html

 

 

This should beat, by far, everything else available on the market. We will continue to dial in the rest of the requested add-ons, but this is ready to go now, and its pretty good.

 

Pictures will be added later today (maybe tomorrow)

 

-Jeremy Hawkins

www.AVWirelesstech.com

 

Screen Brightness info? 8 or 10 Bit colour? Power Consumption?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

There are a number of reasons the optical projector is not (yet) a viable alternative to the common monitor.

 

- The Steadicam relies upon the mass of the monitor in order to properly balance, as well as provide inertia.

 

Just thought about this, if you could sensibly remove the monitor from the sled you could move batteries to the bottom of the post and have perfect dynamic balance!

 

Never happen of course, after all the other issues would remain.

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OK EVERYONE: The First generation monitor specs are up!

 

http://avwirelesstech.com/AV-productinfo/c...dia-system.html

 

 

This should beat, by far, everything else available on the market. We will continue to dial in the rest of the requested add-ons, but this is ready to go now, and its pretty good.

 

Pictures will be added later today (maybe tomorrow)

 

-Jeremy Hawkins

www.AVWirelesstech.com

 

Screen Brightness info? 8 or 10 Bit colour? Power Consumption?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

There are a number of reasons the optical projector is not (yet) a viable alternative to the common monitor.

 

- The Steadicam relies upon the mass of the monitor in order to properly balance, as well as provide inertia.

 

Just thought about this, if you could sensibly remove the monitor from the sled you could move batteries to the bottom of the post and have perfect dynamic balance!

 

Never happen of course, after all the other issues would remain.

 

 

Reminds me of my favorite quote:

 

"Always listen to experts. The will tell you what can not be done and why. Then do it."

 

-Lazarus Long

 

:)

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Hi Jeremy,

 

I don't want to be a stickler... we are following the thread, so you don't need to quote everything.

We read the previous post, just answer, quoting your own quotes... just to write a line?

 

Please don't quote unless there are at least 10 posts between the question and the answer.

It makes reading the post much easier.

 

Thank you.

 

Back to LCD's...

 

 

Erwin

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