Premium Members Charles Papert Posted April 3, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 There's always the possibility of having someone carry the SRW1 on the backpack (for a given Genesis/F35/F23 show), or fiber when available. I've done probably 7 shows using one or the other of these cameras and have yet to have to wear the deck even once. It becomes a BL4 (at least) and I don't see why I would opt to do that when there is an alternative (too bad we didn't figure out how to remote the BL4 mag into a backpack...!) Certainly there are drawbacks to working with cables but along the lines of what Alec says, nothing will deliver diminishing returns faster than having to combat fatigue during a shot. Personal choice of course. As another option, I used the Swit AB-compatible batteries from Sim Video recently and they seemed to do a good job running the RED (used one on the rear of the rig and one of my Dionic 90's up front for monitor). Anyone had experience with these? Heavier than the Dionic/Powercube configuration, but a single batt seemed to run a long time. I'm limping to the finish line with my aged Dionics, looking forward to the HC's but it gives me opportunities to experiment in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jerry Franck Posted April 5, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 There's always the possibility of having someone carry the SRW1 on the backpack (for a given Genesis/F35/F23 show), or fiber when available. I've done probably 7 shows using one or the other of these cameras and have yet to have to wear the deck even once. It becomes a BL4 (at least) and I don't see why I would opt to do that when there is an alternative (too bad we didn't figure out how to remote the BL4 mag into a backpack...!) Certainly there are drawbacks to working with cables but along the lines of what Alec says, nothing will deliver diminishing returns faster than having to combat fatigue during a shot. Personal choice of course. As another option, I used the Swit AB-compatible batteries from Sim Video recently and they seemed to do a good job running the RED (used one on the rear of the rig and one of my Dionic 90's up front for monitor). Anyone had experience with these? Heavier than the Dionic/Powercube configuration, but a single batt seemed to run a long time. I'm limping to the finish line with my aged Dionics, looking forward to the HC's but it gives me opportunities to experiment in the meantime. Hello All, I'm currently gearing up my PRO2 sled...didn't buy any batteries yet because I read about the Dionic HC's. WHen will they come out? Anyone know? Also, I'm on Moviecam SL job end of may...reading all the moviecam discussions here...will the diconic hc work fine if I power the camera, the transmitter, the BFD and a recorder? Any advice appreciated, Thanks, Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted April 6, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Jerry, The announcement of the new AB batteries was a courtesy of Paul Dudeck. Nobody has seen or used the batteries officially as of yet... not sure about beta testers here on the forum... but nobody has replied to the other thread. http://www.steadicamforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9426 Again in that other thread it's mentioned that they would be available beginning May. So for your Moviecam question... nobody would know exempt for the tech guys at Anton Bauer... And I doubt they tested it on anything else then Video cameras as that is there main business. We are a somewhat profitable side endeavor. I think Film cameras will be later down the road... it's more about the power hogs of the HD flavor. No other info available until NAB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jerry Franck Posted April 6, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Jerry, The announcement of the new AB batteries was a courtesy of Paul Dudeck. Nobody has seen or used the batteries officially as of yet... not sure about beta testers here on the forum... but nobody has replied to the other thread. http://www.steadicamforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9426 Again in that other thread it's mentioned that they would be available beginning May. So for your Moviecam question... nobody would know exempt for the tech guys at Anton Bauer... And I doubt they tested it on anything else then Video cameras as that is there main business. We are a somewhat profitable side endeavor. I think Film cameras will be later down the road... it's more about the power hogs of the HD flavor. No other info available until NAB... Erwin, thx for your reply. $550 for a battery, a bit expensive I think...especially if a dionic 90 or hytron can do the job too... I'm really thorn between the hytron 50's and the dionic 90's...is the hytron's technology old? the dionics work better with more stuff atteched to your sled, right? Do you think a couple of 90's or 50's will do it? In what case would you wanna take the bigger versions of either series? ALso, read through the SL manual, they talk about the voltage stabilizer, is that necessary? A lot of questions I know, probably always the same, but I'd rather get advice from an experienced operator that the manufacturer... Thank you, Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted April 6, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 $550 for a battery, a bit expensive I think...especially if a dionic 90 or hytron can do the job too... Tell you what try running a HD camera on a hytron 50 then get back to us..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted April 6, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 $550 for a battery, a bit expensive I think...especially if a dionic 90 or hytron can do the job too... I'm really thorn between the hytron 50's and the dionic 90's...is the hytron's technology old? the dionics work better with more stuff atteched to your sled, right? Do you think a couple of 90's or 50's will do it? In what case would you wanna take the bigger versions of either series? ALso, read through the SL manual, they talk about the voltage stabilizer, is that necessary? Hmmm... Expensive, yes. But keep in mind that this is the introductory price which coincidentally is exactly the price of the Hytron 50 when they came out... what was it 1999? Now $230.- And exactlly the same price of the Dionic 90 when they came out around 2006? Now $400.- a piece. Wait a year or so... when many people bought them... and the price will drop as demand and volume rise. All the new toys are pricy... nothing new here. I have the 90ies (8) for the camera and the 50ies (4) for AKS like lights, receiver, handheld monitors... etc. The Hytron's will, as many times discussed here on the forum, crap out on high current draw applications... check the threads with the warning to use Proformers when running the 435 on the PRO 2 battery cage in high speed... I don't want to carry the bigger brigs... why would I. And you will throw a fit when paying $995.- for the Dionic 160... you thought $500.- was much... and you can't fly with them... again check the many discussions. I wrote/replied to a couple of posts about the Moviecam and the fact that that camera is a 20 Volt camera, will still run on 14 Volts even though off speed (20 frames), does not like much more then the 24 Volt nominal... And likes to go up in smoke when fired by Hytron or Dionic hot of the press... Did I forget anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jerry Franck Posted April 6, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I have the 90ies (8) for the camera and the 50ies (4) for AKS like lights, receiver, handheld monitors... etc. I wrote/replied to a couple of posts about the Moviecam and the fact that that camera is a 20 Volt camera, will still run on 14 Volts even though off speed (20 frames), does not like much more then the 24 Volt nominal... And likes to go up in smoke when fired by Hytron or Dionic hot of the press... Did I forget anything? No you didn't forget anything. Thanks :) I just wanted to make sure I'm clear on the Moviecam issue...If ur shooting regual 24fps speed on the SL you don't need the voltage regulator? So, for my coming job in May I don't need to ask production to put it on the list...? As for batteries, will wait for NAB but for now I would think buy a couple of 90ies for use on the sled and some hytrons for the directors monitor & receiver. Thanks again guys, it made some of the stuff much clearer... Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jess Haas SOC Posted April 6, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 For the directors monitor and receiver you can also go with trimpacs. They weigh a bit more which isn't necessarily a bad thing, are a little bit cheaper and will last much longer. Runtime is just a hair under the hytron 50s. ~Jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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