Michael Barhak

I really appreciate your post Mishka, however you seem to leave more questions than answers .

 

?The Steadicam is not initially designed to work with Gyro.? .... why not? What design features negate the use of gyros

 

?The problem is the Gyro can?t be used correctly on existing Steadicam post.? ..... why not? Whats wrong with the range of post clamps or in my case MK-V cage brackets

 

?It needs modified post and different balancing approach.? .... really? I just balance with the gyro s turned off and then turn them on, tweaking the balance as the mag moves through based on what slow feeling I get. Is this any different to operating with a longer camera or antlers?

 

?The common mistake of using Gyros is ?let the gyro stabilize? usually ends with disturbing the gyros till the system is erratic or constantly unbalanced and

Difficulties in ?steering? the camera.?..... I don t understand your point at all.... I just operate as normal just possibly with a full grip seeing as it is a howling wind and I am intending to let the gyro do the stabilizing.

 

?The reason is: all the rigs attached with additional gyros are basically working against

Gyroscopic stabilization mechanics and principle.?..... How?

 

?* Tilt up down feature can be done without tilting the post.?..... wow! How do you do that?

 

?* The system can be motorized or fully manual.? ..... Really? What on earth are you on about?

 

?* The overall system will be the same weight as existing Steadicam.?..... what by not using any batteries on the sled and powering your whole sled/camera from a battery belt and cable s

 

?The sound problem is a minor problem.? ..... I would love to see you try and explain that whilst doing a daily on a feature with a crew you don t know

 

I am very interested in using my gyros, I think maybe with hindsight I may be missing some very clever point s you are making in your post, did you translate it using a computer based translator? Does that explain ?* The system can be motorized or fully manual.? as in ?The gyros can have the power kept on them or unplugged just before the shot?

 

I promise I am not trying to be difficult, just am very interested in anything anyone has to say about using gyros and would love to get to the bottom of your post.

 

What gyros are you using Mishka? Are you using those 12v Israeli gyros? What ever happened to that company? They just disapeared or got way too many military contracts to be able to serve civilian customers as is often the way with specialists like this.

 

Regards

 

Thomas

 

Oh and Marque, If you are worried about wind, buy some antlers.

Hi.

I can answer some your questions directly to you if you?re interested

And some here

About the Galilieo System gyro?s I?m my self looking for them for past 3 years.

Mishka

While I understand what a gyro does I'm wondering how much it helps or hurts for steadicam. Is it possible that as a newbie it might be worth it to get two KS4s early on to get those shots looking better until I've got enough practice to ditch them unless the conditions get bad? I understand the noise factor (i'm also a sound guy). thanx in advance...

 

~Marque

Hi.

I?m following this forum for a while and I see that the all Gyro discussions

Ignoring one simple fact:

The Steadicam is not initially designed to work with Gyro.

I?m a Gyro stabilizers operator and technical person for many years.

Nothing is stabilizing better then Gyro when used correctly.

The problem is the Gyro can?t be used correctly on existing Steadicam post.

It needs modified post and different balancing approach.

The common mistake of using Gyros is ?let the gyro stabilize? usually ends with disturbing the gyros till the system is erratic or constantly unbalanced and

Difficulties in ?steering? the camera.

The reason is: all the rigs attached with additional gyros are basically working against

Gyroscopic stabilization mechanics and principle.

You might find a solution by trial and error for a certain shot and that?s why

Gyros are not popular.

The other question to ask is:

How comes that Steadicam didn?t changed in 30 years?

The answer is :

Inertial stabilization when used by a good operator with a wide lens covers about 90

Percent of required shots.

But the rest 10 percent are the interesting shots when the stabilization achieved by ?Balance? or inertial stabilization is not enough.

Also the Gyro stabilized Steadicam need a different operator?s technique.

The gyro stabilized Steadicam should perform better:

* Faster operator body movement.

* Eliminating the ?Dutch? effect or roll of the horizon completely.

* Tilt up down feature can be done without tilting the post.

* The system can be motorized or fully manual.

* The overall system will be the same weight as existing Steadicam.

The sound problem is a minor problem.

The wind problem can?t be solved completely by definition unless the operator

Will be fully environmentally protected that?s ?kills? vehicle high speed usage.

That?s about it .

:P

:lol: maby some one here knows more about gyro

Hi.

I?m following this forum for a while and I see that the all Gyro discussions

Ignoring one simple fact:

The Steadicam is not initially designed to work with Gyro.

I?m a Gyro stabilizers operator and technical person for many years.

Nothing is stabilizing better then Gyro when used correctly.

The problem is the Gyro can?t be used correctly on existing Steadicam post.

It needs modified post and different balancing approach.

The common mistake of using Gyros is ?let the gyro stabilize? usually ends with disturbing the gyros till the system is erratic or constantly unbalanced and

Difficulties in ?steering? the camera.

The reason is: all the rigs attached with additional gyros are basically working against

Gyroscopic stabilization mechanics and principle.

You might find a solution by trial and error for a certain shot and that?s why

Gyros are not popular.

The other question to ask is:

How comes that Steadicam didn?t changed in 30 years?

The answer is :

Inertial stabilization when used by a good operator with a wide lens covers about 90

Percent of required shots.

But the rest 10 percent are the interesting shots when the stabilization achieved by ?Balance? or inertial stabilization is not enough.

Also the Gyro stabilized Steadicam need a different operator?s technique.

The gyro stabilized Steadicam should perform better:

* Faster operator body movement.

* Eliminating the ?Dutch? effect or roll of the horizon completely.

* Tilt up down feature can be done without tilting the post.

* The system can be motorized or fully manual.

* The overall system will be the same weight as existing Steadicam.

The sound problem is a minor problem.

The wind problem can?t be solved completely by definition unless the operator

Will be fully environmentally protected that?s ?kills? vehicle high speed usage.

That?s about it .

mishka@eyal.org.il