Shawn Sutherland

Look at this video again: Eric said: "Long lens work with a Movi? Nope not gonna happen" Wrong. Long lenses do work on a Movi, and they already proved it. Nobody said ANYTHING about how long the lens had to be and as far as I'm concerned, 100mm is more than enough to prove the point. I said Movi could do long lens shots and it did. I was right.

It's a Long lens shot done with a Movi. The point has already been made. I'm right. Get the @#!! over it! What are you trying to do? Out "troll" me? No seriously. Were you one of those weird fat kids with coke bottle glasses that used to pick wings off of flies, just for shits and giggles?

Go to the source video and look at the bottom where it says: "Shot with Black Magic Cinema camera and 5D mark II, using a 100mm Canon lens from a remote controlled helicopter in combination with the Freefly MoVI MR. 100mm on the Black Magic equals to 240mm on a full frame DSLR, very interesting!!!" I just took them at face value. If it's a mistake, it's THIER mistake. Go correct them.

I know you hate my guts and all, but can't you at least be fair about it? You said: "Long lens work with a Movi? Nope not gonna happen". Not only was I right, but I even found a long lens Movi shot to prove it. You instantly belittled that with: "100mm's isn't that long of a lens and secondly don't get used to posting here much more, your time on our forum is limited" Oh, WOW Eric. What are you gonna do? Take away my allowance? Wrong again. 100mm on the Black Magic equals to 240mm on a full frame DSLR. But you already knew that didn't you. I don't know what you hate more. The fact that I make valid points which you immediately have to stomp out with a psychotic vengeance, or the fact that my comebacks are just so much more creative than yours.

You and too many others don't understand what the position of STEADICAM OPERATOR actually is... This means you suck. Do you suck?... I've never really had a roll axis issue, can say the same for the tilt axis... For the love of god, NO YOU DON'T GET IT... You have no idea how a set works, you have no idea what a DP does. You have no idea what a Operator does... Seriously, don't let the door hit you in the ass... The problem is YOU... You don't have a leg to stand on... And furthermore rant, rave, etc... http://ep.yimg.com/ty/cdn/yhst-66400482594017/PFS1Judge.jpg

When I jumped into this thread, I made three predictions about the Steadicam/Movi combination: First, I predicted that somebody would do it fairly soon and they did. That happened when Andreas' announced he would try his Portahead System overslung on the steadicam sled. Second, I predicted that whip pans would not be a problem. Andreas concurred: "Also I plan to have the pan motor disconnectable with a lemo plug and that the pan axis can be fixed with a bracket to allow for whip pans as Shawn pointed out" Third, I predicted the amount rotational kick back movement to fight against when the Movi turns on the pan axis would be insignificant. Andreas confirmed with the following statement: "I also found the post on the freefly forum and some people answered that the movement of the brushless gimbal will change it's CG but that's not the case. 3 axis brushless gimbals need to be in balance in all axis to work properly so the CG will not change on the steadicam sled. But I didn't really notice a fight or something going on there" So far, I'm leading 3-0 The only credit I received came from a completely unbiased, independent source. I could not ask for a better gift. Meanwhile, here's what I got from everybody else: "I have no experience" "I'm a liar" "Every claim ever I make is not true" "My work sucks" "I'm clueless" "Everything I say or do is insignificant and therefore doesn't matter" "I don't get it" "I don't understand Steadicam" "I don't have a leg to stand on" "The combination of Movi on a Steadicam stupid and won't work" And on, and on, and on it goes. Now the best part: With a dozen or more of you taking random pot shots at me from all sides, I'm told to "Fight like a man, a grown-up man." And you call ME the troll? As Spock would say: "Fascinating Captain". Now where's my guitar..... here it is. I found it: You're not gonna change what happens You can't stop progress It won't make any difference A brushless gimbal on top of a Steadicam sled will be the best bang for the buck and you can't stop it. You can shoot the messenger all you like, but it still won't make any difference. This is coming whether you like it or not. It won't be long now. Changing the subject won't matter. Getting the "last word" won't matter. This is coming whether you like it or not. The Genie is out of the bottle now. Deal with it.

Alright boys and girls: Can somebody in the classroom tell me what is the defining characteristic of fascism? Censorship.

"you have no experience with a Freefly, Still you claim that you know what will happen, somehow know that a Movi on a Steadicam rig will change everything even though the Freefly forum told you otherwise, nobody really knows yet. But somehow YOU do, blah, blah, blah..." Translated: You bought a whole bunch of really expensive equipment to make a living with and the last thing you want hear is how it's about to get serious shot in the arm from a cheap piece of gear with a really short learning curve. Once again: Calling me wrong won't matter. Cherry picking things I said won't matter. It's coming whether you like it or not. So get ready. The Movi is about to do amazing things on a Steadicam.

First of all, the people I spoke with on the freefly forum were just about as stubborn as the ones over here. Each side believes their product is perfect in every way and doesn't need help from anybody else. This is why evolution takes so long. I don't own a Freefly, but I know what it does. I'm an inventor. In 1985 I built my own stabilizer out of mop handles, bungee cords, and a backpack frame. It worked, and I have the footage to prove it. I've been thinking about it ever since. Let me know if you want to see it. Ever watch a Movi with somebody wobbling all over the place? Perfectly level and straight on all 3 axis. A Steadicam is just a much, much slower version of hand held with the added bonus of a spring loaded ride. The Movi will do for Steadicam the same thing it already does for handheld. It just won't have to work as hard. Here's what I know about the Movi just from looking at it: Majestic mode: Stabilized with operator control via gimbal base Stabilized: Stabilized image with no operator input Stabilized slew: Stabilized with remote operator Off: Kills drive to gimbal axes Imagine having this control with any one of the three axis. Now put it on a Steadicam, give the remote to a second operator, and look straight forward to watch the monitor installed on the Steadicam arm. Get ready. The next evolution of Steadicam is about to be born.

Short answer: Turn off the pan motor for whip pans. Not that big of an issue for tilting, since very few Steadicam shots involve "whip-tilts". Where it's really going to shine is with long lens shots. The added stability of the Movi will do wonders. There will be many tweaks along the way, but eventually operators and designers will find the sweet spot for the Steadicam/Movi combo.

2656 posts? I like to think I got an open mind and all, but Holy Shit Eric. You don't have a toilet in front of your computer or somethin, do ya'?

You guys sure know how to pile on the messenger, don't ya'? I think I know what the problem is. When I said the Movi/Steadicam combination will allow less experienced operators to give senior operators a run for their money, you thought I was talking about you. That's not even close to what I meant - at all. Trust me I want nothing to do with that, and neither does anybody I know. The shows you do and the people you work with are of little interest to me. I don't care how you use your gear "correctly", and I'm not from the big production world you're in. DOP's I know would love to operate the Movi aboard a Steadicam. We get our hands dirty, make mistakes, and invent new things because we don't know it can't be done. We're indie filmmakers and that's how we roll. You think there are no advantages of having the DOP operate the shot and suggest I don't know this because I haven't been "on a set". I have, just not one of yours. You think it's the end of the world if I can't fly a proper Alexa package on a brushless gimbal because the motors can't deal with the payload. Guess what? I don't need an Alexa package. I'm fine with what I have and I seriously doubt Freefly Systems sells bad motors. I never suggested Andreas quote was some kind of supporting debate-killer example. I only posted it because he's smart enough to see the potential in a Steadicam/Movi combination, and his footage is about to prove that. And where did you get the idea that a Steadicam/Movi operator would be dumb enough to just take off full tilt away from the actors, never checking a frame? I clearly said the monitor could be mounted it to the Steadicam arm with one of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=ikan+MA210&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search= Re-locating the monitor on the Steadicam arm puts it directly where you need to look. This is particularly useful with Don Juan shots. Obviously this arrangement enables you to track the actors behind you. If you read what I wrote, you would've seen that. I never said a Steadicam/Movi combination would immediately make everything you worked for, practiced, and learned over the last few decades obsolete. Read carefully: "The Movi won't replace the Steadicam. Ever. Not gonna happen. But if combined with a Steadicam, it will allow less experienced operators to give senior operators a serious run for their money". No one is going to make you obsolete, and nobody's gonna take your job. But the Movi on a Steadicam will change it. Bank on that. I don't own a Movi and I never said I did. I was just hoping to find someone willing to try it on a Steadicam and shoot some footage. If you want to know how the industry will react to the Movi/Steadicam combo, stick around 'cause you're about to find out. Since you don't want to listen to anything I have to say, here are some quotes from other people on this forum. I didn't write these so you might want to perk up and pay attention: "Here is the new reality, at least where I sit in the episodic world. Producers want more for less and they want it faster and easier. The 5/7d world is rapidly becoming a stable part of our everyday work load not to mention GoPros. I don't necessarily like the evolution of the camera world, but I don't write the rules. Not many of us do. I think there is still life left in the world of conventional image making, using large cameras to make a narrative, but I know that the smaller cameras and all of the devices being created to make them do things that the Alexas and Panavisions Golds used to do are the future. Get used to it and start to make it work for you so that you can continue to keep working." "I just had a thought: If you made a bracket to mount this to the top sled, could you effectively make an AR style rig?" (sound familiar Alan?) "This is a rig that will effect the Steadicam market. It won't replace it but it will certainly make waves, especially in the commercial production company sector. A company I work with a lot that does mid level commercials with light weight epics could easily afford the m-10" "The main trick is getting time to work and practice with it. Just like with the Steadicam but instead of years it will take days to get decent and months to get phenomenal. This video reminds me of garret browns early tests with the Steadicam. Not perfect but still quite incredible. I see this making big changes in the way we move the camera. It does have its limitations but so does any system. The main thing I see with it is you could theoretically mount it anyway you want and have a stabilized hot head for car mounts, cranes, cable cams and other sorts of rigs. You don't just have to hold it in your hand. All for $15k." "another invention looking for a shot" - In 1976, a grip and and camera assistant sitting on a 500 lb dolly probably said something similar. And just like the Steadicam, now there are new ways of telling a story, and isn't that what cinematography is all about? I just got back from NAB and the rig demos were blowing people away. They knocked this one out of the park" The writing's on the wall and it's not mine. Do the math. As a side note, there is one elder on this forum I do respect. Charles Papert. The friggin guy's 103 years old! Doesn't look a day over 45 either. Gotta respect that. Oh and for the love of God Eric please: Run upstairs and wash that "Taste of Dexter" out of your mouth!

Near the end of my first post on this thread, I clearly said: "The Movi won't replace the Steadicam. Ever. Not gonna happen. But if combined with a Steadicam, it will allow less experienced operators to give senior operators a serious run for their money. And that's the real reason why veterans hate it." That's the part that really pisses you off, and you know it. Then I went on to describe the advantages of having the DOP take care of the framing. Apparently, I'm not the only one with this opinion. AndreasKielb echoed this sentiment when he said: "Also imagine a shot running at full speed through the woods in Don Juan. With a brushless gimbal on the rig you can fully concentrate on your path as the remote operator will take care of the framing." Changing the subject won't matter. Getting the "last word" won't matter. This is coming whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

Told us what? you still don't understand how this would be used on a show, and you still don't understand what we do. SO no you didn't "Tell" us anything You obviously have nothing better to do than "go to the bathroom out of your face" at people you don't agree with. Jesus get a life! I never claimed to understand how this would be used on a show, and I couldn't care less. It was never about that, it still isn't, and you're not changing the subject on my watch. I predicted somebody would put a Movi on a Steadicam sled and now we're about to see that happen. That's it, that's all. I told you would it happen and I was right. It's just a matter of time now.