Dionics on the Red

[Nicholas Davidoff]

Recently bought 4 brand new Dionic HC's and used them on the Red the other day. I was surprised at how fast they were going down. Each one lasted maybe an hour of heavy use. I figured the Red's just pulling heavy amps. Then I tried running some Red Li-Ion batteries and they lasted almost twice as long. And these were rental house Red batteries with probably many cycles on them vs. almost new Dionic HC's. Otherwise same configuration, same rig, same amp draw. What gives? anybody experience something like this?

[Ken Nguyen]

There is nothing wrong.

Dionic HC is 91W.

Red brick is 140W, almost 2x Dionic power.

So Red brick should run longer than Dionic.

Cheers,

Ken Nguyen.

[Eric Fletcher S.O.C.]

Recently bought 4 brand new Dionic HC's and used them on the Red the other day. I was surprised at how fast they were going down. Each one lasted maybe an hour of heavy use. I figured the Red's just pulling heavy amps. Then I tried running some Red Li-Ion batteries and they lasted almost twice as long. And these were rental house Red batteries with probably many cycles on them vs. almost new Dionic HC's. Otherwise same configuration, same rig, same amp draw. What gives? anybody experience something like this?

 

 

I think some people think that the HC in Dionic HC means high capacity, when it really means high current.

 

91w/h vs 140w/h

 

Anton Bauer is coming out with a 140W/H Dionic HCx july/august.

[Jens Piotrowski SOC]

Recently bought 4 brand new Dionic HC's and used them on the Red the other day. I was surprised at how fast they were going down. Each one lasted maybe an hour of heavy use. I figured the Red's just pulling heavy amps. Then I tried running some Red Li-Ion batteries and they lasted almost twice as long. And these were rental house Red batteries with probably many cycles on them vs. almost new Dionic HC's. Otherwise same configuration, same rig, same amp draw. What gives? anybody experience something like this?

 

 

I think some people think that the HC in Dionic HC means high capacity, when it really means high current.

 

91w/h vs 140w/h

 

Anton Bauer is coming out with a 140W/H Dionic HCx july/august.

 

 

120W 14.4V

 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/700043-REG/Anton_Bauer_DIONIC_HCX_DIONIC_HCX_LI_ION_BATT_120WH_14_4V_.html

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb8zdCmInc0

[Nicholas Davidoff]

There is nothing wrong.

Dionic HC is 91W.

Red brick is 140W, almost 2x Dionic power.

So Red brick should run longer than Dionic.

Cheers,

Ken Nguyen.

 

I should'a got Red bricks at the same price.

[Daniel Granier]

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick

[Charles Papert]

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick

 

"Dears"...?! alrighty then.

 

160 also costs twice as much as a Red brick--something a lot of people will factor in as well. I'd stick to AB myself.

 

The upcoming 140's will be a great new choice.

[Santiago Yniguez]

You might get a little more out of the batteries if you condition them. Its not gonna give you much more, but if you cycle through the batts 2-3 times, it'll help.

Santi

[pauldudeck]

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick

 

"Dears"...?! alrighty then.

 

160 also costs twice as much as a Red brick--something a lot of people will factor in as well. I'd stick to AB myself.

 

The upcoming 140's will be a great new choice.

 

Charles,

 

Be nice to Daniel, even though he is French!!! :) Daniel works for Anton/Bauer and has his home office in France. He worked for Panasonic for quite a few years and is very knowledgeable in the industry.

 

Paul

[RonBaldwin]

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick

 

"Dears"...?! alrighty then.

 

160 also costs twice as much as a Red brick--something a lot of people will factor in as well. I'd stick to AB myself.

 

The upcoming 140's will be a great new choice.

 

Charles,

 

Be nice to Daniel, even though he is French!!! :) Daniel works for Anton/Bauer and has his home office in France. He worked for Panasonic for quite a few years and is very knowledgeable in the industry.

 

Paul

 

there is always a better solution, and a reason most don't use it (money, weight, no lisagav available in France). I have been using the 160's to power the red recently and they really do kick ass. It's amazing how powerful they are for their relatively low weight (3.4 lbs).

[Charles Papert]

Charles,

 

Be nice to Daniel, even though he is French!!! :) Daniel works for Anton/Bauer and has his home office in France. He worked for Panasonic for quite a few years and is very knowledgeable in the industry.

 

Paul

 

Well, the salutation was just sort of Quentin Crisp-y. Might have been a translation thing. Just threw me for a second.

 

Bonjour, Daniel, et bienvenue!

 

(but since we are on the subject--it's sort of message board etiquette to identify oneself as being a company rep when joining a discussion about one's product, n'est-ce pas?)

[Nicholas Davidoff]

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[Jens Piotrowski SOC]

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can I get this statement "1000 cycles" in writing...?

[Nicholas Davidoff]

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick

 

Of course, that's a no brainer. Dionic 160 is also much heavier and larger than a Red brick or Dionic HC. I think the discussion is about the "medium size" class of steadicam battery, not the jumbo 140's and 160's. A Red brick puts out nearly double the amp hours of Dionic HC at basically the same price, same size (volume) and only slightly heavier. As far as my understanding, the inside of the battery is just a handful of lithium ion cells. In different amounts and arrangements. The more cells, the longer the run time (and the larger and heavier the battery). Does AB use different (better) Li-ion cells than Red?

 

Sounds like the Dionic HCX will be a pretty good choice at 120 WH. Red still has it beat at 140 WH and a lower price. Personally, I prefer the AB mount over V mount so I'd like to stick with Anton Bauer. Just wish I held out for the Dionic HCX's instead of getting my HC's. Anybody wanna buy 4 mint condition Dionic HC's with less than 10 cycles on each? PM me.

 

And as far as the 1000 cycle rating of the Dionic HC's, out of curiosity, what is the cycle mileage on Red bricks?

[RonBaldwin]

hmmm, jumbo eh? Never thought of 3.4 lbs as jumbo. How much does the redbrick weigh?

 

I'm working with the red camera now for the first time on a show and it is a piece of shiite. I'm lucky I have managed to avoid it until now!

 

rb