Daylight Screen

[Sam Morgan Moore]

 

found a comparison chart it weighs in at 1.67kg

 

 

Pilot capacity 10lb

minus standard monitor ? 10.5

monitor 4 lbs

camera 2 lb

lens 1bl

batt 1lb

 

Id say 90% chance it would not work (as I guessed !) without major fiddling and possibly a T conficuragtion - cam and bat up top monitor bottom (as opposed to the the standard inverted T configuration)

 

now the Gh2 and 14mm auto focus lens...

 

S

Edited September 28, 2010 by Sam Morgan Moore

[Mark Schlicher]

True, not a picnic when the sun is at just the right (wrong) angle. Naturally, one shouldn't expect high end features or performance. This ain't that. When I get a chance I'll meter the Lilliput against my 500 nit Flyer monitor.

 

I'm curious about their transflective version, given the strong showing of transflectives in the monitor shootout. May just pick one up to play with.

 

The 668GL is 450 nits for $200. For another $200 Lilliput will add a transflective film.

 

 

450 Nits sucks in direct sun.... Just saying

[Tom Wills]

True, not a picnic when the sun is at just the right (wrong) angle. Naturally, one shouldn't expect high end features or performance. This ain't that. When I get a chance I'll meter the Lilliput against my 500 nit Flyer monitor.

 

I'm curious about their transflective version, given the strong showing of transflectives in the monitor shootout. May just pick one up to play with.

 

Their sales guy sent me this picture comparing the regular version with the sun-bright version. The regular version seems to have some kind of film on it, which might contribute to some of why it looks so awful, but the sun-bright version is faring pretty well, considering that according to the EXIF data on the pic, it was pretty damn bright outside! (ISO 100, F 6.3, 1/160 shutter)

 

As I said, no Transvideo, but it looks like it's actually doing what a transreflective monitor should.

 

http://tom.willsmediagroup.com/lilliput.jpg

[Sydney Seeber]

according to the EXIF data on the pic, it was pretty damn bright outside! (ISO 100, F 6.3, 1/160 shutter)

that's more like cloudy/rainy day settings

[Mark Schlicher]

Lilliput USA sales guy or third-party sales guy? There are third parties that will add transflective film.

 

That is not the new model 668GL. It may be the 669HB, which has the same 450 nit rating, or a standard (300 nit?) 669GL.

 

True, not a picnic when the sun is at just the right (wrong) angle. Naturally, one shouldn't expect high end features or performance. This ain't that. When I get a chance I'll meter the Lilliput against my 500 nit Flyer monitor.

 

I'm curious about their transflective version, given the strong showing of transflectives in the monitor shootout. May just pick one up to play with.

 

Their sales guy sent me this picture comparing the regular version with the sun-bright version. The regular version seems to have some kind of film on it, which might contribute to some of why it looks so awful, but the sun-bright version is faring pretty well, considering that according to the EXIF data on the pic, it was pretty damn bright outside! (ISO 100, F 6.3, 1/160 shutter)

 

As I said, no Transvideo, but it looks like it's actually doing what a transreflective monitor should.

 

http://tom.willsmediagroup.com/lilliput.jpg

[Mark Schlicher]

Oh, yeah, the top monitor has the factory protective-plastic adhesive sheet on it. A misleading (or at least ignorant) way to demonstrate the "non-transflective" version of the screen.

[Tom Wills]

It was a Lilliput sales guy. Thanks for letting me know that the picture isn't even representative of the correct model. Strange, considering I've been consistently referring to the 668.

 

I was less concerned about how the top one looked than how the bottom one looked, though honestly, the top one is pretty much what my current monitor looks like in sunlight. I think that if their return policy is good, I'll pick one up just to try it out. At the least, at $400, it's a not terribly expensive HD director's monitor. At best, it's a livable upgrade for the next few years until I can afford a "real" sled.

 

And Sam, sorry if I'm filling up your thread with discussion about a monitor you're not interested in!

[AndreasKielb]

I use a transflective Monitor from CarTFT (CTF700-SH) for Steadicam. It might be quite similar to the Liliput transflective monitor and is also SD. It works pretty well outside and also in direct sunlight. As it is partly reflective the picture doesn't seem unbelievable bright but it's always there and readable.

 

I didn't have the chance to compare my monitor directly to other Steadicam usable LCD's but I saw a few special highbright models in the sun at the workshop or from other operators and I don't think my CarTFT is any less readable. Standard monitors with low intensity backlights are of course a different story as they wash out completely.

 

Cheers,

Andreas

Edited September 29, 2010 by AndreasKielb

[Mark Schlicher]

Probably the actual screen is the same between the 669HB and 668GL...the nit rating is the same, so it would make sense that the 668GL is a re-housed version of the other model with the battery and improved connectors.

[Jess Haas SOC]

You will not find a cheap solution, cheapest suitable monitors are close to 4000 dollars, others - even more.

The transflective marshall is only 2 grand and is as good as it gets for daylight viewable LCDs. It is rather light weight and available with HD-SDI.

 

~Jess

[Sam Morgan Moore]

You will not find a cheap solution, cheapest suitable monitors are close to 4000 dollars, others - even more.

The transflective marshall is only 2 grand and is as good as it gets for daylight viewable LCDs. It is rather light weight and available with HD-SDI.

 

~Jess

 

I was thinking of getting a tiddly 4 inch SD transvideo , they have not responded to my request yet so I dont actually know the cost

 

Considering the marshall is (I think) 'HD' and larger it has uses beyond the rig in a way that an SD monitor would not really

 

(I have two smallHD mons too for other camera operation (sticks) where I can at a push use the huge screenshade)

 

HD marshal or SD Transvideo ?

 

This marshall ? http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/public/view_item_cat.php?catalogue_number=marshall-electronics_V-LCD651ST-HDMI-CM

S

Edited September 29, 2010 by Sam Morgan Moore

[James Davis]

You will not find a cheap solution, cheapest suitable monitors are close to 4000 dollars, others - even more.

The transflective marshall is only 2 grand and is as good as it gets for daylight viewable LCDs. It is rather light weight and available with HD-SDI.

 

~Jess

 

 

Hello Jess,

 

Which model Marshall are we talking about here?

 

Thinking about monitor upgrade soon for my archer

[Tomas Riuka]

I think this one?

http://www.lcdracks.com/monitors/V-LCD651ST-3GSDI.html

 

Indeed it is a little over 2k, Thank you Jess for pointing that out.How does the monitor

look in reality? seems all plastic...

[Sam Morgan Moore]

I thinking the marshall £1300 or, the marsh is 'HD' of course the 5d only outputs 480 anyway so thats sub SD, I have a 7d too which has a better out put and an EX1 too

 

OR

 

Transvideo, 5 inch SD superbright with level and framelines around £1600

 

now the Transvid is 4:3 so with the 5d the viewing area could be quite small and of course it is SDef

 

Im leaning towards the transvid which seems a bit more 'pro' build etc

 

There is a 16:6 6.5 inch Transvid but no level, seems like 1 inch of screen is a worthwhile swap for a level

 

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There is of course an option (maybe) to place the Transvid on top of my SmallHD so I have a pretty picture (inside and under cloud) on the SmallHD and a sunproof horizon facility on top

 

Going down that road I could get the 4 inch transvideo with Horizon and Superbright, I could piggyback that on the smallHD, the 4 inch with level is around £1500

 

I dont know if the signal can be piggybacked of course or If I could get DB (or the newbs approximation of same)

 

 

Thoughts??

 

EDIT

 

I notice that the 4inch transvid is 1000NIT whereas the 5 inch is 700 NIT

 

Im liking the concept of the 4inch on top of my SmallHD !

 

SMM

Edited September 30, 2010 by Sam Morgan Moore

[John atkinson]

You will not find a cheap solution, cheapest suitable monitors are close to 4000 dollars, others - even more.

The transflective marshall is only 2 grand and is as good as it gets for daylight viewable LCDs. It is rather light weight and available with HD-SDI.

 

~Jess

 

I have 4 of the Marshall 6.5" 3ghdsdi mutilformat outdoor monitors. I shoot in Florida and the islands frequently, I love them. $1800 at B & H.

 

John A

Oralndo

 

 

Hello Jess,

 

Which model Marshall are we talking about here?

 

Thinking about monitor upgrade soon for my archer