Premium Members Matteo Quagliano Posted January 20, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Chris I understand your point but you didn't answer to my questions. You feel immediatlely the difference, so where is it? Why immediately? In which sense? "I have not been shy to pick the phone and call them directly at any time I felt like it, and any suggestion or comment, clever or stupid, I ever had about their gear has always been dealt with to my full satisfaction." Assuming that there should be no problem with our problem as well. And to add my experience with them in UK they've always been kind and spot on with solutions. my best maqu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members chris fawcett Posted January 20, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Maqu, I'm not capable of giving you an insight into how the arm feels. I don't have the intellectual capability to translate 'feels yummy' into an accurate, useful description that could convey meaning from one mind to another. The only accurate testimony I can give is that if you try one, you will notice a difference, an improvement, a progression. My original statement, a few posts ago "I've tried both x arms. There is no doubt that you'll notice the difference immediately," stands, and all I've said since to elaborate on it is verbiage. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Matteo Quagliano Posted January 20, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Chris, verbiage isn't a nice word in general, specifically on a matter of money invested on a professional equipment that should deliver professional result is totally out of place. Excuse my rudeness but I don't understand you're attitude towards this issue. It's like you're trying to hide something that was stated few lines before by Jerry himself. "More importantly, to Rob's question, yes, the stiction issue is gone. Jerry" this stands too maqu ps I like you call me Maqu :) ps2: If the issue is gone that means the issue was there, this is logic not verbiage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members chris fawcett Posted January 20, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I'm obviously crap at being clear, Maqu. I can only usefully comment on my own experience. Someone in this thread asked if anyone had tried the arms, and if so, what did they think, or something like that. I answered as simply and as briefly as I could. The subsequent 'verbiage' is entirely my own doing. All the best, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Villamil Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi all. Very interesting discussion on new products. In this community and colleagues around the world, all information, comments, questions, answers, everything, everything always help everyone. I honestly do not understand clearly what this new series is corrected GX. - All arms (G50/G70) manufactured by Tiffen is now, they have problems? Or just some arms made in a specified time or number? Com a friend of the fibula of Tiffen, I also want to work for everyone, from the experience, decoctions, also com doubts and all. I hope to soon have contact with the new GX ..!!! I still watch this post. (sorry my bad english) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members JobScholtze Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'm obviously crap at being clear, Maqu. I can only usefully comment on my own experience. Someone in this thread asked if anyone had tried the arms, and if so, what did they think, or something like that. I answered as simply and as briefly as I could. The subsequent 'verbiage' is entirely my own doing. All the best, Chris With all due respect Chris, i know your relation with tiffen, so i am not sure i am buying your comment about not noticing the arm issue. I fly a pro and our second sled still has a G50. I sold the G70 becose after i tryd a pro for 5 minuts i was sold. The smoothnes of the pro is just unbeatable, its a amazing arm. Back to the G50, i recently had to work with it again, and i was shocked again about its stiffnes. I had the feeling something was wrong with it, so i used one from a fellow op, same story, stiff. I must admit, the lighter the load, the smoother it gets, but its still WAY to stiff. Now Jerry admits, and i have hughe respect for that, that there was some sort of design error in the early arms. Cool, great that there is a solution and a better arm out now. A lot of people is experience the error, so lets hear about a solution. I would love to hear on this forum if tiffen has some sort of solution for g50/70 owners, knowing there arms has dropped in price on the secondhand market becose of this news. Time for them to chime in Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members chris fawcett Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Has this discussion become an ad hominem argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members JobScholtze Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Has this discussion become an ad hominem argument? Not that i know off, but perhaps you feel it that way, you decided to step up and tell us you dont experience this problem, but tell us that the newer arm is far better. Like i said, we know enough people having this issue, and we would love to hear from tiffen themselve how to solve this. The stadium of trying to protect or ignore this issue is far gone, good for you you dont notice the problem, you propably have one of the very few arms out there that arnt having this issue? Lets stick to the facts J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Robert Starling SOC Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Has this discussion become an ad hominem argument? No, it's become a boat-load of double-talk! "Double-talk is a form of speech in which inappropriate, invented or nonsense words are used to give the appearance of expert knowledge and to confuse the other person or group." I entered the conversation with a full detail of my history and experience owning three G50 arms including a full disclosure of the process and relationship with the manufacturer which I consider to be a good one. Chris, you're a talented operator and if you say your G50 is perfect I believe you 100%. Then you went on to say something like the Gx arms you've flown are much or noticeably improved. Sorry I don't have the exact quote so if that is out of context please correct me. Anyway, evaluations like this are very confusing especially for our Forum members where English is not their native language. Jerry, can you get me / us a few production line arms to test? I'll get a non-denominational group of operators together and we'll put the Gx models through some fair tests and evaluations. The size of the G50 arm was perfect for live work and if I had one thing I'd wish about my PRO arm is that it weighed a bit less for when I'm in the rig for hours at a time. I've tried flying with only two canisters but live rig weight is just at that point where two blues are too weak and two blacks are too strong. Thanks! Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members William Demeritt Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I've tried flying with only two canisters but live rig weight is just at that point where two blues are too weak and two blacks are too strong. Have you tried a black canister in the back section and a blue in the fore section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Bryan Fowler Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Maybe I can add to the confusion. I loved my EFP arm and it worked "perfectly" until... I tried the master series arm. I thought. man, that master series arm is great, I can really tell the difference! I like it better. Then I bought a G-50 arm, and thought. Man, this arm is great! I can really tell the difference! I like it better. Then I tried a G-50x arm and thought, yeah I can tell the difference! I like it better. I took Chris's comment to mean that he didn't feel like the old G-50 was performing incorrectly for it's design. ...similarly to me saying that the 3 year old laptop I just sold to my friend is "working perfectly". Well of course my NEW computer will be performing better. That logic works for me. I would hope that any change to a product that a company makes would be for the better. But personally, I don't' feel like it entitles me to the new product. (as much as I would like for it to) A recall for safety reasons (say, brakes that fail on my car) is another story. But that's just me. I feel like the gear that I use to make a living is awesome, high quality and worth the money I paid for it. I've never had the chance to use a Pro arm, but I have no doubt it's awesome. love and kittens, Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jerry Holway Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Has this discussion become an ad hominem argument? Jerry, can you get me / us a few production line arms to test? I'll get a non-denominational group of operators together and we'll put the Gx models through some fair tests and evaluations. The size of the G50 arm was perfect for live work and if I had one thing I'd wish about my PRO arm is that it weighed a bit less for when I'm in the rig for hours at a time. I've tried flying with only two canisters but live rig weight is just at that point where two blues are too weak and two blacks are too strong. Thanks! Robert Robert- You said Garrett was working on getting at least one of the arms out to you... I'll put a word in at the factory.... Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jens Piotrowski SOC Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Maybe I can add to the confusion. I loved my EFP arm and it worked "perfectly" until... I tried the master series arm. I thought. man, that master series arm is great, I can really tell the difference! I like it better. Then I bought a G-50 arm, and thought. Man, this arm is great! I can really tell the difference! I like it better. Then I tried a G-50x arm and thought, yeah I can tell the difference! I like it better. I took Chris's comment to mean that he didn't feel like the old G-50 was performing incorrectly for it's design. ...similarly to me saying that the 3 year old laptop I just sold to my friend is "working perfectly". Well of course my NEW computer will be performing better. That logic works for me. I would hope that any change to a product that a company makes would be for the better. But personally, I don't' feel like it entitles me to the new product. (as much as I would like for it to) A recall for safety reasons (say, brakes that fail on my car) is another story. But that's just me. I feel like the gear that I use to make a living is awesome, high quality and worth the money I paid for it. I've never had the chance to use a Pro arm, but I have no doubt it's awesome. love and kittens, Bryan agreed, if there would be a safety risk, let's say of parts failing due to manufacturing mistakes, it should be replaced at no cost, improvements or upgrades could/should be offered at cost to the consumer.... but again it is evident that Tiffen/Steadicam went through how many arms in the last 20 years ? and the PRO arm is unchanged since it's introduction....draw your own conclusions..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members JobScholtze Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Dont forget that people are complaining about this from day one. I for one cant wait to see what will be happening with all those owners who have these arms or just recently bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Robert Starling SOC Posted January 21, 2012 Premium Members Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You said Garrett was working on getting at least one of the arms out to you... I'll put a word in at the factory.... Thanks Jerry! Yes, he offered at CES and if you can get things going via the factory I'll organize a demo and set of tests. Operators are standing by... :) Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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