Matt Burton Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I will soon be getting my business development loan of £4000 - £8000. Yes i'm excited :P I shoot Music videos (think mtv bass), Documentarys, films, corperates you name it. What do i shoot on ? Well Mainly DVCAM i'm affraid, however i dabble on HDCAM and digi beta also. So i'm using small cams from pd170's canon xl2'a, then onto dsr570's and upto HDCAM's I need a rig that i can start off with my DVCAM's and then when budgets allow, progress upto HD and beyond (anybody wana teach me how to use cine cams :D or how to spell i know). If anybody has a rig to suit me or any advice, please click on my name then send me a personal message. Kind regards Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members RobVanGelder Posted March 8, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 A Rig that is good for DV-like camera´s but upgradable to full size HD and Cine? Sorry, you know already it cannot do everything, and certainly not for that money. In my opinion you are going too fast, try to focus on what you can do in the coming 2 years, and if that is MTVstyle DV productions, then find a rig for that. If you grow into bigger productions and camera´s you have to go for another setup/system. And Matt, did or do you do some serious work as assistant/focuspuller (basically professional crew-time) for some time or do you plan to take up those big shows with big camera´s as Operator right away? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members benedictspence Posted March 14, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Noooo! Don't go with the flyer! It's won't let you shoot on digi/HD; and I'm not so keen on the build quality- the gimbal really isn't that hot. I would highly suggest getting yourself a nice Glidecam V-20 with a Marell (or similar) monitor. I've had one for 4 years and it's been brilliant- really allowed me to get experience operating. Of course, once you've tried a proper rig you'll see there is a big difference- but the V-20 did me well. I shot a shed load of mid budget music vids on it in my time- it'll happily shoot on Digibeta or HD- even S16 without too many bells and whistles. I used my V-20 on loads of broadcast stuff from Blue Peter to MTV Cribs; no one was ever unhappy with the result. I kinda thought of it like my first car- ugly and uncomfortable, but gets you from AtoB and once you can drive that you can drive anything! I sold mine the other week- am in the process of getting a nice MK-5 from Howard (((I'll give you a call within the next week Howard!))) which I am very much looking forward to getting! Anyways, I've had a long day shooting! I'm going to bed! Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mikko Wilson Posted March 15, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 V20 beats Flyer for "build quality"? *cough* right... Don't know about the DSR 570, but for those lighter cams (which the majority of your work appears to be) XLs, PD's DVX.. HDVs.. then the Flyer is the best rig for the job. And i have flown DVCAM on a Hitachi V21-W with Sony DSR-1 back (real camera) just fine on the Flyer - just be sure to strip off all the extra parts (viewfinder, etc..) and put a nice light glass on the front! - Mikko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members benedictspence Posted March 15, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Seriously Mikko! The Flyer I've used a few times is only a month or so old and the gimbal is already quite sticky. The main gripe I have with it is it's lack of inertia; having shot on it with the sony HDV, extra weight plate, video tx and mic rx it is just so light you can't get a steady shot out of it; you've got to keep a constant touch on the post which causes so much movent it just screws the shot. In comparison my old V-20 had a really smooth gimbal and with a Marell monitor and an NP-1 box down the bottom it had plenty of inertia. I know the Glidecam is a bit shitty but I will stand by and argue till I'm blue in the face that it beats the crap out of the flyer! Compared to any grown up rigs, sure , the V-20 ain't up to scratch but for learning on and for getting those first steps into the world of steadicam; I would highly recommend it. Anyways, isn't this the wrong Forum to be debating this in?? Think there should be a 'Which Rig is Better' Forum? Or perhaps a 'Your rig is crapper than mine' Forum. Or a Basson-Steady only forum? Perhaps even www.bassonsteadyoperatorsforum.com?? Catch you later kids! ps called the MK-V a MK-5 in my last post- sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mikko Wilson Posted March 15, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Ok, lets see if I can respond without causing too many fireworks... I will agree with you that the Flyer has less inertia - this is simple physics. The fact that the V20 is built heavier will make it steadier due to the law of mass tonnage. But as far as build quility goes, I'd never even compare a Glidecam to a Steadicam. If you are having touble getting a steady shot out of a Sony HDV, especially with extra wieght, then you might want to queation how well the V20 has actually taught you to operate. - If your gimble is sticky, you might want to look into a service for it. What did you use to bring this (far too light on the Flyer) camera setup up to weight on the V20? Anyway, this is the wrong topic, and I don't paticularly want to get caught up in a big argument about which rig is better. I belive Matt was just asking if anyone had anything decent for sale Used, before he went out and got the best rig he chould afford New. - Mikko P.S. Anyone interested in some footage shot with the Sony FX1 on the Flyer, check out this short I shot a few monthes back: http://mikko.n3.net/files/Omenatiikeri_V08_400K_pub.wmv ...It isn't a masterpeice of film history, but I'm proud of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members benedictspence Posted March 15, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Wow! It's easy to get into an arguement on this thing! I can just feel the urge to respond ranting on about the flyer vs V-20; but I won't because it's far better just to say that I'd prob agree with a few of your points and you'd prob agree with a few of mine and it's so much better Karma to smile :D and say something we can both agree on. Like "production managers are utter shits; aren't they?" More to the point- good luck to Matt what ever rig he chooses. I think we can all agree that he's thinking in the right direction; get that all-important experience in the vest. Speak to you later dudes- I'm off to go see 'Constantine' Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mikko Wilson Posted March 15, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Yeah.. really easy. After all, we all have our favorites, and most likly can't be conviced otherwise. And it's up to each and every person to make up their own mind. Good luck on that choice Matt. Don't diss production too much... they have all the money (note: I didn't say that you arn't right :rolleyes: ) Glad we got this cleared up, thanks. :-) - Mikko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeighWanstead Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi Matt, Glad that you get your fund. Will you buy your potential flyer directly from usa to save your local dealer extra cost? Regards Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burton Posted March 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Hi everybody No i still dont have my rig :( could realy have done with it last weekend as i was shooting a large gig in dublin. A second hand provid would be an ideal start for me but i'm not having much luck finding one in my price range. I'm hoping to do a big job soon that is paying very well. Perhaps after i get paid (fingers crossed) i might be on track for a big rig mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :) The v20 looks crap, dont like the arm or the reports! the gold might be ok but what price ? Ps i'm a producer and operator, thats were the smart money is ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeighWanstead Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Hi Matt, Glad that you get your fund. Will you buy your potential flyer directly from usa to save your local dealer extra cost? Regards Leigh <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not sure mate, I would have to pay import tax in the uk if i ordered from the states i belive ? PS what did you shoot your video on your site with ? I know you are trying to show of ya skills but i'm affaid i nearly fell asleep watching that video on your site. I will leave it to others to tell you what you are doing wrong if anybody else dare sit through it. Keep it going but lets see some action please! Your compersition isnt to bad but think about what your filming and make it interesting. I know some people like to see lots of dancing girls :) Sorry to be harsh but feeback is what you want right ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Matt, Camera stuff imported from overseas won't attract import tax in New Zealand. That is the beauty living in New Zealand. :D I do stablizer as a business, the camera I bought is for business, so I get tax refund as GST, in UK I assume is VAT etc. I think UK got similar rule. As NZ copy everything from UK I assume. The camera sold in NZ is about twice as dear as sold in USA/Japan. I shot with my diy stablizer on a JVC GY-DV5000 camera with Fujinon s20x6.4brm-sd lense. I just first touch video camera last Apr and I wish I can spent rest my life in video business. So I am quite relaxed about camera skill improvement and I am not in a hurry. Just run slowly. :P Regards Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Thomas English Posted March 23, 2005 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Under UK vat laws, u can claim back any VAT on working assets for the last three years, when u become vat registered. i.e. pay the VAT now, when u finally become VAT registered u get all that old vat back. remember, turning over 60odd grand is just a guide line for becoming VAT registered! u can register for vat at any income, so long as u register for 6 months or something (minimum term) . I might be selling a pro-vid arm soon, all modified to fit in regular steadicam vest s and sleds. Its a great ISO elastic arm. Ive done many jobs on sr3 's and digibeta s. Ive chosen to use that over a master arm sometimes because a master arm is too springy on light setups buy that for 2500, spend 1400 on an old mk3 vest, leaves 4 grand to put a sled together............. might sell my mk3 vest as well... gotta love that klassen! im raising money to buy a pro arm! u see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burton Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 buy that for 2500, spend 1400 on an old mk3 vest, leaves 4 grand to put a sled together............. might sell my mk3 vest as well... gotta love that klassen! im raising money to buy a pro arm! u see <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I clearly have no idea about all this tax malarky :) I will have to hire you as a consultant tom :D Keep us imformed about when u might be selling. Cheers Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burton Posted March 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 "Just a quick update" I have overlooked progear as a solution to my setup problems. Due to lack of advertising and a slightly bad smell from copying the gpi perhaps. On a closer look though it seems perfect for my current needs and budget. Almost to good to be true ? I would love to see a demo or have a play with arm or sprint setups! Thanks for the info *nameless* :ph34r: Matt Planet-Mu records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred1 Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 I will soon be getting my business development loan of £4000 - £8000.Yes i'm excited :P I shoot Music videos (think mtv bass), Documentarys, films, corperates you name it. What do i shoot on ? Well Mainly DVCAM i'm affraid, however i dabble on HDCAM and digi beta also. So i'm using small cams from pd170's canon xl2'a, then onto dsr570's and upto HDCAM's I need a rig that i can start off with my DVCAM's and then when budgets allow, progress upto HD and beyond (anybody wana teach me how to use cine cams :D or how to spell i know). If anybody has a rig to suit me or any advice, please click on my name then send me a personal message. Kind regards Matt. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Matt, I have a fully set up top of the range Steadicam Master Elite (upgraded to Ultra. And I am happy to talk you through it contact me on fredfabre1@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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