Shawn Sutherland Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Senior operators translated:"It won't work, everything you said, was wrong, you don't know what you're talking about, that's not how DOP's work, mumble, mumble, whine."You bought a whole bunch of really expensive gear to make a living with and the last thing you want is serious competition from some amateur with a new toy he bought for next to nothing.I get it.If it's any consolation, you can find sympathy in the dictionary.It's right between shit and syphilis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Senior operators translated: "It won't work, everything you said, was wrong, you don't know what you're talking about, that's not how DOP's work, mumble, mumble, whine." You bought a whole bunch of really expensive gear to make a living with and the last thing you want is serious competition from some amateur with a new toy he bought for next to nothing. I get it. For the love of god, NO YOU DON'T GET IT you have no idea how a set works, you have no idea what a DP does. You have no idea what a Operator does. Your "Reel" shows that, your comments show that, and your attitude shows that. You've been invited to a real set by Ron Baldwin and then sluff that off by saying that NYC "is off the beaten path" which frankly for someone with your experience level to not JUMP at the offer just proves how little you know, care or want to work in this industry. Seriously, don't let the door hit you in the ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Mkokiner Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 You may not like this, but...After reading his prediction I'm curious to see what happens with Movi on a Steadicam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Charles Papert Posted August 31, 2013 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 We've been talking about that combination of technologies since the beginning of this thread last April. Nothing new to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Joe Lawry Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 In the mean time, here's how I predict the Steadicam will work with the Movi: ... Put the Movi on top of the Sled, balance it up nice and neat, and make sure it passes the spin test. After the sled is in dynamic balance, get rid of the 2-3 second drop time. There won't be any need for it because the sled won't have to stay upright. That's what the Movi is for. Also by balancing the sled to neutral gravity, you won't have to fight with it in low mode. The sled will stay wherever you put it. Now let's take it for a ride. With the Movi/Steadicam combo, You won't have to watch the sled's horizon anymore. The Movi will take care of this for you. Re-locating the monitor on the Steadicam arm puts it directly where you need to look. This is particularly useful with Don Juan shots. No more craning your neck to get a better look while hoping you don't trip on something. Just a forward looking view with the ground in your line of sight at all times. This also works for high to low mode shots as your rig just became a jib. Wow, this clearly shows how little you understand about balancing a steadicam and also what a brushless gimbal is actually capable of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) You bought a whole bunch of really expensive gear to make a living with and the last thing you want is serious competition from some amateur with a new toy he bought for next to nothing. I get it. So you think that by buying a Movi you'll instantly be hired on the next Avengers movie? If production wants a Movi for a specific shot, they aren't going to hire some amateur. Every rental house will have some, and a lot of pros will have it as part of their kit. Just ask all those people who bought Reds. Here in L.A., those amateurs are literally giving their camera and their services away for free or almost free because they can't get paid work, and guess what, productions still pay top dollar to places like Panavision, and to pro operators. Edited August 31, 2013 by Alan Rencher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members RonBaldwin Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 With your gross misunderstanding of how the gear works and how to run the set efficiently, there is nowhere for you to go but up -- I think you'd make a better producer than operator. Though, your ideas are inspiring...after the holiday I'm gonna take my dolly grip's monitor away because there's no need for him to see the frame anymore, I will just tell him to go in the direction I am panning.It's so insane, it just might work.I will also try to stop my mumbling and whining and find you an operator close by to take a page from your book of reinventing the wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Mkokiner Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 We've been talking about that combination of technologies since the beginning of this thread last April. Nothing new to see here. Actually, you haven't. To be accurate, the closest you came to describing a Movi/Steadicam combo was to put it on a Steadicam arm. You also suggested having an experienced Steadicam operator/dolly grip run the Movi, and at one point you mentioned there are situations that a two-man setup will work better. But you never suggested putting the Movi on top of a sled with a second operator for pan and tilt. If anything got the impression you were against this. I'm not suggesting you're wrong. You might have good reasons for avoiding this combination. I don't know. The problem is that if we refuse to experiment, we won't learn anything beyond what we already know. "Better To Try And Fail Than Never To Try At All" William F. O'Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Afton Grant Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Guys, guys. 100% of the chatter on here is speculation since nobody has done anything yet when it comes to combining the abilities of both the Movi and the Steadicam. If you really boil it down, capturing a shot is nothing more than manipulating a lens in space. It doesn't matter if the camera is mounted on a Movi or a Steadicam or a Technocrane or a rhinoceros. So when it comes to speculating about how it might be best done with different tools, I'm going to sit up and listen to those speaking who have been manipulating those lenses for decades. Chances are pretty darn good they know what they're talking about, and if I were a betting man, my money would be on them to figure out the best way to do it looooong before someone with no experience. We seem to like the car analogies here - especially Eric. Give Lewis Hamilton (look him up) a stock BMW and some Joe off the street with no racing experience a Ferrari, and I guarantee Hamilton would win any head to head race. Now has that ever actually been done? Well, not to my knowledge. Am I a jerk for speculating Hamilton's experience would allow him to outperform a regular driver, regardless of the car he is given? No. Because I know his experience counts for waaaay more than anything else. Respect experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members RonBaldwin Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 There are several threads here and on a steadicam fb page that discuss this. Nobody is refusing to experiment, but we are refusing to jump on the game changer bandwagon and say this thing will change life as we know it and the whole crew structure that has proven itself over time. Aparently a cautious and "let's wait and see from experience" attitude is now considered mumbling and whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Mkokiner Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Could I be so bold as to ask the nearest Steadicam operator with access to a Movi to give this one a try?Seriously, I can't be the only one who wants to see what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Sutherland Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Could I be so bold as to ask the nearest Steadicam operator with access to a Movi to give this one a try? Seriously, I can't be the only one who wants to see what it does. I think I found the problem: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Afton Grant Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I just bought the book, "The 1001 Best Jokes Ever". Probably means I'll be hosting "Late Night" in a few weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted August 31, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Could I be so bold as to ask the nearest Steadicam operator with access to a Movi to give this one a try? Seriously, I can't be the only one who wants to see what it does. I think I found the problem: Yes the problem is YOU. when you don't have a leg to stand on and lack facts the typical response from someone like you is to deflect your lack of knowledge and experience with insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Mkokiner Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 As insulting as he is, at least it got me thinking about this Steadicam/Movi combination. I never even thought of it until I read his post. Now I can't get it out of my head. Good God! I've been infected with the Steadicam/Movi virus!Please somebody help me! Put a Movi on a Steadicam and show us the footage!Quicklyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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