Premium Members Brian Freesh Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jens Piotrowski SOC Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This post is a response to a post from Alan R. , that he almost immediately deleted after it went online.... OEM stands for original equipment manufacturer. And Amimon manufactures and sells reference designs, chips sets, software and complete boards according to their website. http://www.amimon.com/Products So all that's left is to package and or modify it. Nothing to explain here other than $3400 in price difference, but according to Dan, it explains itself. Again, I posted the link after the price was announced tonight through Alan, after Dan a couple of days ago did not want to give it out. The link is to a competitor product that is similar in features and based on the same technology. A comparison is therefore warranted. And as Will pointed out, this would be the time to sell the advantages of your own product vs the competitor, just like every other manufacturer on the planet does, unless he or she is the only one making it.... I forgot there is also: http://rebotnix.com/?page_id=2673 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted November 24, 2013 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Your almost there, Jens. It's good that you're learning how to Google. I'm proud of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jens Piotrowski SOC Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Who is the BULLY here, Mr Rencher? or are you simply running out of arguments that you have to refer to cheap shots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mark Schlicher Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Certainly the "packaging" can be a significant factor in both the price and features of a finished product. The Paralinx Arrow and the Teradeck Bolt are both based on the same Amimon Pro chipset (possibly the same circuit boards too, who knows?). The Arrow has been criticized on this forum for lack of a robust housing and professional connectors. The alternative that has these features (plus HD-SDI) is significantly more expensive. No one complains about the higher price. Dan brings to market the Tomahawk, with a robust housing and professional connectors. It is immediately criticized for being more expensive than a unit based on the same chipset (and MAYBE the same circuit boards and firmware, but maybe not) that lacks these professional features...and is not sold nor supported in the US. I give credit to Dan for being the first to develop/adapt/package a product based on the Amimon technology, specifically targeted to the video market (including, but not limited to, Steadicam operators), at a price point that is very attractive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mark Schlicher Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Dan does your pricing include the patch antennas as seen in the photos of the demo, or a screw-on diversity array similar the Skylink setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Certainly the "packaging" can be a significant factor in both the price and features of a finished product. The Paralinx Arrow and the Teradeck Bolt are both based on the same Amimon Pro chipset (possibly the same circuit boards too, who knows?). No, it's not that expensive to have an enclosure machined, you can have it done in china for materials +$20+shipping) Lemo chassis connectors are $35 so you're into the project for maybe $300... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Your almost there, Jens. It's good that you're learning how to Google. I'm proud of you. Simmer down there Alan, you're not helping the cause at all. Part of Paralinx issue's can be traced back to your posts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Thanks for posting, Alan. Looks like it will be useful for the F5/F55 and Canon C300 user base. If only someone could invent an HD-SDI to HDMI converter...the Alexa crowd wouldn't be left standing out in the cold. ;-) My Decimator 2 does this for the last 3 years.... Exactly. Hence the winky-smiley-face. ;-) It's not like HDMI input is some insurmountable hurdle, if someone wishes use this product with a professional camera that doesn't offer HDMI output. HDMI Connectors suck and don't have the integrity that is needed for our uses. If you think that they are professional level connectors then you are deluding yourself. As for using a cross convertor on an Alexa, why? why do I need to add to the camera build a feature that the manufacture has left out? Decimators were fine 3 years ago but now they are another failure point waiting to fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mark Schlicher Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Certainly the "packaging" can be a significant factor in both the price and features of a finished product. The Paralinx Arrow and the Teradeck Bolt are both based on the same Amimon Pro chipset (possibly the same circuit boards too, who knows?). No, it's not that expensive to have an enclosure machined, you can have it done in china for materials +$20+shipping) Lemo chassis connectors are $35 so you're into the project for maybe $300... Of course, that doesn't take into account labor and overhead and other business costs. Does Paralinx get their machining done in China or is that speculation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Certainly the "packaging" can be a significant factor in both the price and features of a finished product. The Paralinx Arrow and the Teradeck Bolt are both based on the same Amimon Pro chipset (possibly the same circuit boards too, who knows?). No, it's not that expensive to have an enclosure machined, you can have it done in china for materials +$20+shipping) Lemo chassis connectors are $35 so you're into the project for maybe $300... Of course, that doesn't take into account labor and overhead and other business costs. Does Paralinx get their machining done in China or is that speculation? Actually Mark that's an out the door cost. Locally add at least 30% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted November 24, 2013 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) The enclosures are designed, machined, anodized, laser engraved, and assembled in the greater Los Angeles area. Edited November 24, 2013 by Alan Rencher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 The enclosures are designed, machined, anodized, laser engraved, and assembled in the greater Los Angeles area. Alan, it's not that expensive to build enclosures, anodize them and laser engrave them. I suggest that you go and price it out before you try to argue this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted November 24, 2013 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 You assume I haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mark Schlicher Posted November 24, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Eric I understand just as well as you that HDMI connections are less than ideal. I dislike them as much as the next guy. You are correct that they are a consumer-grade connection, and so if we are going to split hairs I will stipulate that Dan added professional connectors, except he retained HDMI, per the Amimon reference design. Which A) addresses some concerns, though not all, and B) still makes it a more robust system then the Skylink that it has been compared to in this thread. Nevertheless, HDMI connectors are available on many cameras from major manufacturers in wide professional use, if someone want to use them with this system. Or not. True, cross-converters are a potential failure point and complication. But they are available if one wants/needs to use that option. Or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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