Moderators Alec Jarnagin SOC Posted June 21, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The Gen 2 fixed the problem of the buttons getting destroyed on the Gen 1 where some asshole soaked his until they left this world (caugh - nicely done Will - caugh). I would still not throw it into a body of water though because the connectors (that are underneath, out of rain's way) are still going to let some water in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Peter Abraham Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 My first inclination was the use it on my G-50 arm. Coating my Exovest pads seemed a good idea at first but then I considered the layered wicking fabric. If I try to seal all of those holes, the sweat won't have anywhere to go. ( Aside from down the small of my back !! ) I've got questions regarding heat venting/shedding for these guys. Coat my monitor? Why not? But then..... most LCD panels run warm, some hot, and if this is a very fine 100% sealing coating, how is heat venting managed? Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Sanjay Sami Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'm not sure how good it would be to have this stuff in contact with skin on a regular basis. It cant be non toxic, and constant reapplication and having it rub off onto your skin doesnt sound good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Victor Lazaro Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The only reasonable way to use it would be to spray your rain cover with it. One layer of waterproofing on your fabric cover is a good idea, plus it wont hurt if it need to be reapplied or if it gets damaged. Will definitely look into it for that, but I would avoid tempering with my gear and a spray can too much... (unless you are a manufacturer and are ok to do some tests with this product and crear it for use.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jens Piotrowski SOC Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I've been following Liquipel (http://www.liquipel.com/) for awhile. This looks like a nice end user solution, but it would be nice if manufacturers coated their products in hydrophobic compounds during the manufacturing process. Wouldn't we all love a waterproof Cinetronic? glass is waterproof, so is aluminum, it is always the seams where the problem is...and i doubt that this spray fixes that issue. i think it works well on the plexi or lexan portion of a monitor raincover... plus, as Alec says, don't inhale it, i'm sure your lungs love to get coated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Alan Rencher Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 glass is waterproof, so is aluminum, it is always the seams where the problem is...and i doubt that this spray fixes that issue. i think it works well on the plexi or lexan portion of a monitor raincover... plus, as Alec says, don't inhale it, i'm sure your lungs love to coated... That's why these companies coat the electronics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members William Demeritt Posted June 21, 2013 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Jens: waterproof as in water impermeability is well established. This product claims to create a superhyrdrophobic coating, which prevents the water from flattening onto those surfaces and getting into "seams". By coating the aluminum and the seams, the tendency for water to never "flatten" but instead bead up and roll off means it might not seep into the cracks. As the examples show, they treated cloth with the coating, and water rolled off the fabric which is probably more porous and filled with gaps than metal-to-metal seams. I'll run some tests and post the results, but I would say this: seams that are "top-side" (facing the sky) might not prevent water from leaking in by NeverWet, but seals anywhere else that gravity has the ability to pull the nearly-spherical water droplets down means they won't break surface tension and seep into micro-crevasses like metal-to-metal seams. Of course, if the seam is a confidence issue, a simple quick-drying rubber gasket could be created by applying it to the seam, followed by an additional treatment of NeverWet. As far as plexi or glass, they state this product shouldn't be used on anything clear and intended to stay that way, as it does leave a foggy coating that makes clear into translucent. If you want your monitor coated, try Rain-X sold at most auto shops. The treatment, when applied properly, is nearly invisible and causes water to bead up. Gravity will make it roll off, so unless you're operating tabled, you should be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members RonBaldwin Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 so unless you're operating tabled, you should be OK. Eric is in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jens Piotrowski SOC Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 glass is waterproof, so is aluminum, it is always the seams where the problem is...and i doubt that this spray fixes that issue. i think it works well on the plexi or lexan portion of a monitor raincover... plus, as Alec says, don't inhale it, i'm sure your lungs love to coated... That's why these companies coat the electronics. which company is coating what? and if it's just for water/corrosion protection it's called paint....it has been done for some time now... if you use this spray on your rig, what does that achieve other than waterproofing the already water-proof aluminum or carbon fiber, again, i doubt it seals the buttons, connectors, gaps, moving parts... re: hydrophobic: yes, lotus flower...., also the car paint industry tried that already about ten years ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Peter Abraham Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I think its best not to inhale it! There's ample proof around of how inhaling materials as a part of your job in film production can be quite hazardous. http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/ozebsen.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members William Demeritt Posted June 21, 2013 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Other companies have used paint or sealants for corrosion protection, but based on the experiments done by this company (and disclosed in their white paper), their corrosion treatment seems considerably better. Granted, it's probably worth some outside trials, but their comparisons of salt fog corrosion on polyurethane treated steel vs. NeverWet treated steel looks fantastic. Again, think of this not so much as waterproofing the "waterproof" but as waterproofing things you wish were waterproof: electronics connections that are otherwise closed off (HDMI port, BNC ports, possibly even the electronics boards themselves), durable fabrics that are still porous (vest fabric, shoes, etc). More importantly, might make cleanup quicker and easier for other materials, since the tests show high bacterial resistance in treated areas. Fake blood or accidental paint (ask Twojay) might clean quicker and more easily without requiring a costly trip to the manufacturer. I guess the car paint industry did the best with what they could 10 years ago. Thank goodness for innovation and new technologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jens Piotrowski SOC Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 agreed, it's fun to watch here's an article from 2002 on the technology... http://nanotechweb.org/cws/article/tech/16392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Peter Abraham Posted June 21, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'm suddenly thinking of the old BNC Terminator. Aside from its intended use, quite useful as a method of covering open BNC connectors. Thinking it is worth it to buy chassis mounted connectors for all of the connectors on my sled, somehow making the back end look clean and neat and basically plugging all unused holes. Because salt, dust, dirt, sand and whatnot not to mention water can do the most damage when they seep into live holes. They have to look quite professional, but have to be the real connectors. Hmmm...... And, if I do fashion high-tech "plugs", and I lightly spray the top stage and bottom stage with all cables and plugs in place, I've created a sealed film. As soon as I unplug one jack, I've broken that seal. Since we plug and unplug incessantly, I'm at a loss to see how the seal is maintained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastair Rae Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 This stuff sounds almost as amazing an invention as the Steadicam. I am about to do a film set at sea and I have been thinking of ways to protect everything. Has anyone trated their gimbal with this emmolient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Victor Lazaro Posted September 14, 2013 Premium Members Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Not Steadicam related, but I have found the best use for this spray: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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