Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted March 29, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 So... with my 9th Generation I got a little carried away, as I started from scratch. I also wanted it to be easier to ship... ergo go with a Yeager style cart that folds into a case for shipping. I started with the Aluminum Camera cart from Backstage. A year of agony and here we go: And yes it's RED. (The Prototype) Fly Safe, Erwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted March 29, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Talking about getting carried away... I also designed costume cases that would compliment the cart and maximise the amount of gear I would be able to have at my finger tips at any given time on set. And ship easily... The Big Case on the left carries: Vest (accessable on Set), Arm (accessable on set), Arm Canisters, 2 Gorelocks, a bunch of Eyebrows and the Hardmount. Case #2: 2 top drawers hold: 2 Prestons, cables and all AKS I could fit. Case #3: 1 drawer and hidden space: 22 Anton bauer batteries, 3 AB chargers, Preston baetteries and charger and 50 AA Batteries and charger. All cases are in shipable weight limit. When it's broken down, you have 4 red cases, plus sled case (Pelican 1650), Back ups (Pelican 1650), Cart Hardware (Pelican 1650). These where the first Prototypes, the new generation is ATA approved. Fly safe, Erwin It turns into a case: Here in action. It was like: "we are just around the corner" turning into 3 blocks in Downtown LA. I was okay. Imagine I had to push my Stand... Sofar 5 carts where made (Including mine...) Fly Safe, Erwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Marc Abernathy Posted March 29, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 erwin, its so good to see you back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Alec Jarnagin SOC Posted March 30, 2006 Moderators Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Erwin, I see you moved the rig in over the cart. I had this idea when planning on building the perfect cart - I toyed with the idea of somehow using the top shelf from a Magliner JR on a Senior and then rig a system to hold the sled in over the wheels, but never bothered. Nicely done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Marc Abernathy Posted March 30, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 OK guys, so form all of this wonderful dialouge here, why dont you guys just recommend a cart! there are many versions out there and diferent toys, but what bryan, and myself, would like to hear is a bottom line "get this cart" kind of post. i could go all out and get the top of the line but im sure i dont need to go that high at this point.. so hows about a middle of the road kind of cart. less than the 1300.00 bones filmtools wants for the big daddy... do that for me and first round of beers are on me at dalts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted March 30, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Erwin, I see you moved the rig in over the cart. I had this idea when planning on building the perfect cart - I toyed with the idea of somehow using the top shelf from a Magliner JR on a Senior and then rig a system to hold the sled in over the wheels, but never bothered. Nicely done. Hi Alec, I wanted to protect the rig better against idiot AC's and any danger that happens on location, like Doors crashing into the cart set pieces people walking into it... If the first thing that people hit is there own shin they will not reach the rig. Also that should go into the journal section... a "great" AC moved my cart to the next location without checking with me first... he moved it accross the street and just left it on the sidewalk... now stupidity paired with gravity... the cart started to roll reached the 1 foot high curb flipped and landed in the middle of the street. The rig was nicely protected but I didn't had my cases done by then so EVERYTHING else spilled onto the asphalt... the Preston that was sitting on the top shelf hit hard and broke of the Battery... etc, you get the picture... But the rig was fine (only one cracked Anton Bauer Battery plate. As you can see on the picture below, The foot print (shelf space) of the 2 carts is virtually identical, just that the Rig is inside the cart, so I was not loosing storage space... Fly safe, Erwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Alec Jarnagin SOC Posted March 30, 2006 Moderators Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hey guys. Erwin had the excellent suggestion of moving a discussion about carts that was located in the classified section to here. I guess that conversation will be "hidden" in a couple of months, but still exits if you know what you are looking for. Anyway, here is the link if you wish to read it: http://www.steadicamforum.com/forums/index...wtopic=2821&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted March 30, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 OK guys, so form all of this wonderful dialouge here, why dont you guys just recommend a cart! there are many versions out there and diferent toys, but what bryan, and myself, would like to hear is a bottom line "get this cart" kind of post. i could go all out and get the top of the line but im sure i dont need to go that high at this point.. so hows about a middle of the road kind of cart. less than the 1300.00 bones filmtools wants for the big daddy... do that for me and first round of beers are on me at dalts! Hi Marc, The question is do you want to dock your rig on the cart or not. If not you can just pick up a Rock and Roller for $160 or a Magliner/Liberator for $320.- and you are done. Buy a nice Americam Stand for docking and keep your cases on the cart. Done. If you want to dock it then you will need to start with a sturdy cart like a Magliner or a Liberator. For stability you should go with a 8" conversion it also makes moving the cart over cables and curbs so much easier. Again for stability I would suggest to add a top shelf so you would also need a Nose. And as the last necessary item the steadicam Riser unit. (If you ask me I would also get a lower shelf, improves on the rigidity of the overall set up. But that is just me...) So you will end up with the Following (Junior Set up): Magliner/Liberator cart.........$320.- Mag 8" Wheel Conversion.....$175.- Nose...................................$60.- Top Shelf............................$175.- Steadicam Riser..................$225.- ----------------------------------------- Total..................................$955.- You get a very sturdy and durable cart for under $1000.- that will protect and house your $100'000.- Investment on the set... Small price to pay if you ask me. But at that point you could get a stock Backstage Aluminum Camera case cart that comes with 10" wheels all around for $1200.- plus the Steadicam Babypin ($75.-) and Steadicam Bumper ($115.-). Which supersides the quality, rigidity and space from a Magliner by far... (Shipping is a breaze). But I already hear you moan that it's to much money... but think about it, yes you save cash now and then a year later you have to spend more money to compensate that you already have out grown your cart... Or if it's shitty quality it already desintegrated and you need a brand new one... Yes I spend a fortune on my carts, but it makes my life so much easier and more efficent on set, Idon't have to run back to my cases or worse back to my car to get something. It also makes for a quick get away. The time from when they say I'm wrapped to the moment I drive off is in the moment under 15 minutes... top that. Also the arrival time... I'm ready to receive and start building the Camera within 20 minutes of my arrival on set. But that is just my 2 cents, Good Luck and Fly safe, Erwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Bryan Fowler Posted March 30, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Thanks Erwin, Alec...everyone who's contributing. Knowing what people have done, what things help in what ways, and your reason for the expence is great. It's helping me decide what will be best for my situation. And the pictures are truely helpful. I'm still reading everyones input. thanks. =) Bryan Oh, and thanks for moving it here. This works much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members JobScholtze Posted March 30, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Talking about getting carried away...I also designed costume cases that would compliment the cart and maximise the amount of gear I would be able to have at my finger tips at any given time on set. And ship easily... The Big Case on the left carries: Vest (accessable on Set), Arm (accessable on set), Arm Canisters, 2 Gorelocks, a bunch of Eyebrows and the Hardmount. Case #2: 2 top drawers hold: 2 Prestons, cables and all AKS I could fit. Case #3: 1 drawer and hidden space: 22 Anton bauer batteries, 3 AB chargers, Preston baetteries and charger and 50 AA Batteries and charger. All cases are in shipable weight limit. Very Nice Case system you got there Erwin. Thats a piece i was looking for a long time. I always have an issue with my arm and vest, when using the magliner. This is a nice solution. Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted April 2, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi there, I got several inquires about the cart, so to make it easier: I got the cart made by Backstage Equipment in Los Angeles (818-504-6026, Talk to Pedro Castex). They build my first cart 6 years ago. They also are making the riser unit, the vest holder, steadicam stand AKS bracket, etc. I talked to Pedro and they are willing if enough people are interested to make a couple more or even another run. I haven't advertized it at all, so they haven't incorporated the cart into there line up yet, but they have all my drawings and would be able to make more, not sure on the lead time... To answer the other question... we build 5 prototypes. (I have a shinny plated red, Will Arnot has a shot blasted plated red, Anthony Hardwick has a powder coated black, and Geoff Shotz and Matt Petrosky have each a shot blasted clear coated). Give Backstage a call... Sincerely, Erwin Erwin Landau, SOC 818-448-2639 www.landaucamera.com -------------------------------------------- Very Nice Case system you got there Erwin. Thats a piece i was looking for a long time. I always have an issue with my arm and vest, when using the magliner. This is a nice solution. Job I was playing around with a couple ideas to make the use and the storage of the arm and the vest on set... let's say less hassle. I ended up with a case that would incorporate a nice place for the vest so that on cold days the vest would stay warm and my pads wouldn't turn into 2 x 4 pieces of wood (on the Klassen vest). And the Arm lives in a 45 degree shoot again it's right there but if you have to move the arm is safe and not hanging at the handle... or somewhere else... works for me... Fly safe, Erwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Marc Abernathy Posted April 2, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 erwin, id like to smoke over your cart(s) when im out there in the next couple months... id interested in one of your cart deisigns... not sure when ill have time to contact pedro via phone as ill be traveling this week for a shoot but i will definately let my presence be known! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted April 2, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 erwin, id like to smoke over your cart(s) when im out there in the next couple months... id interested in one of your cart deisigns... not sure when ill have time to contact pedro via phone as ill be traveling this week for a shoot but i will definately let my presence be known! :-) Marc, Give me a call when you're in LA. Or anytime for that fact. Fly safe, Erwin 818-448-2639 www.landaucamera.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Marc Abernathy Posted April 3, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 thank you erwin, will do..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Erwin Landau Posted April 10, 2006 Premium Members Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hi everybody that e-mailed me, So here a couple of clarifications to all guys that had questions, I can't e-mail everybody separatelly to many..., I also will post more pictures as promised... So here... What Backstage would consider standard is: -Lower Shelf -Upper Shelf with push/pull handles (for on set use) -Shipping/ AKS Shelf (with push/pull handle for use in folded position) -Shelfs Black powder coated -4 10inch tires (removable) -Steadicam riser with vertical bumper -6 upright bars (cut to your specs, mine is 28.5 inches to fit in my Van, usually lenghts is 39 inches) -6 pins for shipping -4 riser clamps to mark hights for speedy assembly -Build in Umbrella holder (Will hold any regular Sun/Beach/garden umbrella) For Prices you have to talk to Backstage. (Be prepared for $2000.- plus) I added: -Red plated Shelfs (Will be changed to hard anodizing in the near future) -No maintenance Foam filled tires -Sand dune tires (for Desert and Beach) -Horizontal Bumper (resting the rig for on set transport) -Added 4 horizontal bars with Speedrail fittings to create push/pull bars that will fold out for better access and space for Lowmode or oversized setups like Gyros etc. The "doors" are lookable for push/pull action and have padded handle bars for operator/AC comfort. -Additional bracket to hold Steadicam stand. (Uses the Light Stand pins for Truck storage to hang from). In development: -Rain tarp assembly covers shelf area and rig. One Prototype version will feature expandable sides that will also cover the work/walk area around the cart (access to drawers on front and to the rig on the side). - It will also feature attachment point for work lights (I'm using my Anton Bauer powered Light Panels for the shelf and my Goose neck for the rig). Cases: The 2nd generation cases are beeing build at Innerspace Cases Inc. (818-767-3030, Carlos or Lewis) as I'm writting this. Keep in mind that these cases are made to my personal specs. including size to fit my 26 inch height limit. You have to talk to Innerspace for any mods. Case 1: Will hold... -medium size Klassen vest -The Arm "shoot" was designed with the PRO Arm in mind, (3A or Steady Rig arms could be to short, master could be to wide) And is leather lined (additional costs) -It has a couple of odd ball compartments for 2x 2"Gorelocks, Sharkfin antenna, PRO Spring cannisters, Eyebrows, Hardmounts, standby covers, etc. Case 2 will depend on what kind of equipment you own... mine are designed for or to fit: -2 Prestons with motors and cables -XCS specific parts and AKS Case 3: -22 NiCad Anton Bauer (specially TrimPacs) -3 Anton Bauer 4 position chargers Prices: Again check with Innerspace. (As it stands right now, it should stay below $450.- a case). I'm not making a single cent off that cart. I just wanted a cart that suited my working style on set and my laziness at the end of the day... to just push the cart into my Van... done. As usually it snowballed into a fullsize production with several prototypes and possible mass production (with VTR and Sound applications already in the works... These guys just go crazy everytime I show up on set.) I hope that helps, Flay safe, Erwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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