Premium Members Ed Moore Posted March 13, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) This job went up on the UK Production Base site the other day; thought I'd share so you could all say what you think! Inevitably someone will take this job, but I find it particularly tedious that "35mm experience is required"... so they want someone with probably upwards of £25k of equipment, who's worked with 35mm, to rent our their kit alone (besides working for three weeks for not a lot) for a flat fee of £150? If the budget is so incredibly, incredibly low - why are they speccing a Steadicam / B camera anyway? And why shoot on 35mm at that budget? Seems absolutely bonkers. E ___ Oceanstorm Films posted this job on 11/03/09 Job Title Steadicam / 'B' Camera Op Location London & Essex Salary/Rate Flat Fee (adheres to NMW+) Duration 3 weeks Job Description THE PROJECT: HARD SHOULDER is a £300k psych thriller starring Wil Johnson and Jamie Foreman. An ambitious, cleverly woven, non-linear feature narrative in the vein of "Secret Window" (but without JD, DK, and that huge budget) and "Dead End", shooting on a 3-4 week schedule from mid-May 2009, on 2 perf 35mm. WHO WE NEED: An experienced Steadicam Operator more than happy to act as 'B' Camera Operator under the auspices of our very talented DoP. In order to combine both tasks in our minimised crew you will have to be a true collaborator, easy-natured team player, fast-thinking, and clearly able to multi-task. You will need to be hungry for 'the best shots' and to ensure the entire production is delivered images that are not just usable but dynamic. Working and collaborating with both the DoP and the director you will be involved in the technical delivery of the highest calibre of cinematic quality footage. You will without doubt need to be fit, active, and ready for anything as a steadicam operator, always striving to make the impossible, possible whether on foot or secured to a rig, low-loder or other unusual platform. You will need to have the ability to think and act 'outside the box' when necessary and feel comfortable putting your ideas for new and dynamic shots on the table at all times. There is no guarantee of continuous engagement on set, but you should be ready to roll at a moment's notice. Experience with large productions whilst NOT strictly necessary, is a distinct advantage, but experience of working with either S16mm or 35mm stocks is an absolute MUST. No applications without this experience will be considered. WHAT WE OFFER: The project is, sadly but stated, micro-budget, so ALL crew are on a pre- determined flat rate as buyout for the entire project. As a consequence rates are unlikely to reach Pact/Bectu minimums though we do ensure to reach NMW for all. Steadicam / Cam Op rate is £1,000 for a 3 week buyout + £150 bonus for equipment hire. There are no daily or weekly rates negotiable. PLEASE NOTE: This is a MICRO-BUDGET picture. It is impossible to pay at PACT/BECTU minimums. Renumeration for all positions, including HoD's (means the Producer too) is at or slightly above NMW. Fees will endeavour to pay you a living wage and a bonus if you have equipment you are bringing to the table. - such as a steadicam rig. Please DO NOT apply if you expect anything like a TV or big feature payday regardless of experience. The project's entire cash budget is only £120K. WHERE: The project is currently pencilled to be shooting in a major London studio and on locations likely to be in Epping Forest / Essex. EXPENSES: Per diem travel expenses will be offered where at all possible though car-pooling is encouraged. SPECIAL NOTE: If you don't get to shoot on 35mm on a pro stage every day, with a tight script from a writer with three more projects in £1m plus development each (with Exec Prods waiting), with named actors, and amazing sets, with the sort of industry support usually saved for multi- million dollar productions, and on a format that makes it the first micro-budget project to shoot on it in the UK, and only the second project (the first was "Hunger") full stop.............then maybe your services are best used elsewhere. This in itself is one for your CV. This is a one of a kind deal at this budget level, of that you can be assured. So, if you feel you want to be considered for this project, when the pay is what it is but the opportunity for significant recognition is even better, then please forward your CV on PB asap. We look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Nick Edited March 13, 2009 by Ed Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Brandon Zachary Posted March 13, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Sure, I'll take it! I wonder if my Flyer can support the weight? Oh, they want a "real" steadicam...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jess Haas SOC Posted March 13, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Those rates are nuts but at that budget level I don't really blame them for trying. Of course I don't really feel like they should get anyone at that rate. Sounds like they need to schedule steadicam shots for a few days and not expect to get a full time guy. As far as it being 35 goes they said 2 perf so film/processing are really more like 16mm prices. Gear required to do steadicam of course is the same. As far as no/low budget productions trying to do steadicam goes I have no problem with it as long as they are respectful and realize what kind of favor you are doing them and act accordingly. Also what they pay has to be in line with the budget , what other people are getting paid and the fact that you are an extravegence they should be willing to pay a bit extra for. If the director is getting paid then you probably have no reason to be giving them a deal. ~Jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jason Torbitt Posted March 13, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 The £150 "one off" payment for kit rental is a complete and utter insult... as for the rest of it - somebody will take it, for sure........ And it's a fair bet that the actual Steadicam days vs. B Cam days is a good 90% / 10% split too - whoever ends up on this will inevitably be flogged slowly and torturously to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Ed Moore Posted March 13, 2009 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 The £150 "one off" payment for kit rental is a complete and utter insult... as for the rest of it - somebody will take it, for sure........ And it's a fair bet that the actual Steadicam days vs. B Cam days is a good 90% / 10% split too - whoever ends up on this will inevitably be flogged slowly and torturously to death. Thank you Jason, a voice of sanity as always!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mike Marriage Posted March 14, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I certainly hope there is no one with a 35mm capable rig that will take the job. Like Jess suggested, maybe a few of us should write to them and suggest they ask for someone for a few days so that they can offer a rate that at least covers the kit hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members geoff shotz Posted March 14, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 this would be a lot less offensive if the writer of the ad had even an ounce of humility regarding how asinine his request was! they ask you to be creme of the crop and make them look good because it should be your privilege to work for them!? what? get over yourselves! be humble, ask for good help at a low rate, and sell the project, honestly, as the low budget reality it will be. if he wants all that experience out of you, i'd ask to see his resume! and while you are at it, get a deal memo for his upcoming million pound features up front as payback for making him look good on this one! someone will inevitably take this job and i hope they gain great experience doing it, and i hope it leads to much work, but someone bring that producer back into reality! geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Nikolay Kerezov Posted March 14, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I bet they going to find someone within two days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Imran Naqvi Posted March 15, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I just want to know who can afford to pay his rent/mortgage and bills for a month for that rate, since you're effectively not going to be able to make any more for that month if you do this job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Ed Moore Posted March 15, 2009 Author Premium Members Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I just want to know who can afford to pay his rent/mortgage and bills for a month for that rate, since you're effectively not going to be able to make any more for that month if you do this job. Someone who's taken in by the snakeoil of this pitch. I don't know what depresses me more, the fact that producers think they can persuade someone to work for this rate, or the fact that they're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Amando Crespo Posted March 18, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 ┏┫ | | ┣┓ ┏┓ ┗┫━━ ┃ ━━┣┛ ┣┫ ┃ ━━━━━ ┃ ┏┳┫┣┳┓ ┗━━┳━┳━━┛ ┃ ┃ ━━━━┃ ┃ ┗━┳┳━┛ PA TI FOR THE PRODUCER..... WITH ALL BEST WISHES..... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members WillArnot Posted March 19, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 That is genius Amando! So funny.... I concur whole-heartedly! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Amando Crespo Posted March 19, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Someone who's taken in by the snakeoil of this pitch. I don't know what depresses me more, the fact that producers think they can persuade someone to work for this rate, or the fact that they're right. Hi Ed!. Don´t depress you. Here at Spain....Well, we can export for all over the world enough "low, monkeys, vallets" to crack the market. An example: Steadicam/camera operator, full gear (for tv series)....20 days per month, 10 hours a day......TACHAAANNNN:::: 7.600€.... Make division between hours a day.....and the result is.... 38€ hour.... :blink: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Juan M.Ramos SOC Posted March 19, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Who is working fo this money here????? Why don't resend the add to Luis,may be he will accepted it.hahahahhahahahahh.Best regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members luis castro Posted March 19, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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