Harry Rabin Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 After falling out of a moving vehicle while shooting with my Flyer I was motivated to find a SAFER way to film and get all the advantages of the Steadicam. So I modified the Bridge assembly so I could use either the vest or a Pipe Clamp to mount the arm & gimbal assy. either Vertically or Horizontally on any size rail! If you want to see the info you can check it out at: http://www.seamusic.com/steadicam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Sydney Seeber Posted June 8, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 You're gonna need some sort of extension on that to get the arm out there for low mode/lower shots I think And some sort of harness hopefully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted June 8, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 After falling out of a moving vehicle while shooting with my Flyer I was motivated to find a SAFER way to film and get all the advantages of the Steadicam. So I modified the Bridge assembly so I could use either the vest or a Pipe Clamp to mount the arm & gimbal assy. either Vertically or Horizontally on any size rail! If you want to see the info you can check it out at: http://www.seamusic.com/steadicam Why would I need that when I have a perfectly fine garfield mount that is already the industry standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Brian Freesh Posted June 8, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I hazard to guess you are not in the target demographic for this product, Eric! I, on the other hand... So there's enough information in your post and website for me to gather what the product does, Harry, but there's not a single photo of the product itself! That's my number one complaint, and is enough for me to pass it by without another thought. But I would also like to point out that each and every photo is so obviously a fake background, my favorite being the one with the beautiful sharp focus rocks in the background and the soft product shot in the foreground. If your advertisements look shoddy, I'm not likely to trust the product. Add to that the low gimbal on your rig and the lack of restraints to keep you from fallingout of the car (wasn't thatt the original problem that led to this product?) and I find I am just not inclined to trust your judgement. I think the product is a fine idea, but your marketing needs immense improvement. There's probably plenty of Flyer owners out there who could benefit and don't have the access to tooling and machining that you or I do. Though I cannot comment on how reasonable the price is without seeing the product. Brian |-)~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Sydney Seeber Posted June 8, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I would also like to point out that each and every photo is so obviously a fake backgroundBrian |-)~ Nuh uh! Oh... NOW I see it. Sorry, I'm new to teh interwebz. To be entirely honest, I'm not really keen on the design chosen. I myself have made a couple different designs, but I won't post them, because I copied someone else's... The aforementioned mount is a necessity, but for the simplest design, (Not the one I made by the way) all you need is to simply affix a plank to the bed of a truck with a steel/aluminum post securely attached vertical to it, nothing you can't accomplish with access to a Home Depot... The arm attaches via the mount, You straddle the post, (Harnesses are vital) and rock on. Not trying to be a dick or anything, but you've really got to get that arm outside the vehicle. Dropping the camera much lower is vital, in my opinion. *Edit - I think I misunderstood... You're just selling the mount where the arm attaches to the post, not the whole thing? The more I read it the more I think that's the case, but the pictures on your page there don't really indicate that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members RonBaldwin Posted June 8, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 should have used a moon or martian surface picture for the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Mike McGowan SOC Posted June 9, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Ouch, some harsh words!!! I'd actually be very curious to see the actual unit. Is it like the WK vehicle mount??? http://www.walterklassen.com/vehiclemount.htm I wouldn't be too worried about any body coppying your idea. Most of us have either thought about making one, have made one or own one that some body else made... Post a good picture, because for 325 bucks I'd probably buy one if it looks like it would work. And YES, put your harness on when your in a moving vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members John Buzz Moyer Posted June 9, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 What's a Bridge Assembly?... do I have one now?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Eric Fletcher S.O.C. Posted June 9, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 What's a Bridge Assembly?... do I have one now?... Apparently I have one, but after 20+ years I didn't know I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Members Jess Haas SOC Posted June 15, 2009 Premium Members Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 So you drill a few holes in the bridge assembly and mount a clamp to it. Should work but I would be a bit worried about it negatively impacting the structural integrity of the bridge plate (IE you hit a big bump and it snaps). Can't tell if this is the case without actually seeing the thing.... I made my own hardmount by drilling some holes in a steel plate to mount some U bolts and a socket block. ~Jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Rabin Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I hazard to guess you are not in the target demographic for this product, Eric! I, on the other hand... So there's enough information in your post and website for me to gather what the product does, Harry, but there's not a single photo of the product itself! That's my number one complaint, and is enough for me to pass it by without another thought. But I would also like to point out that each and every photo is so obviously a fake background, my favorite being the one with the beautiful sharp focus rocks in the background and the soft product shot in the foreground. If your advertisements look shoddy, I'm not likely to trust the product. Add to that the low gimbal on your rig and the lack of restraints to keep you from fallingout of the car (wasn't thatt the original problem that led to this product?) and I find I am just not inclined to trust your judgement. I think the product is a fine idea, but your marketing needs immense improvement. There's probably plenty of Flyer owners out there who could benefit and don't have the access to tooling and machining that you or I do. Though I cannot comment on how reasonable the price is without seeing the product. Brian |-)~ First off sorry for the LATE response...I was recovering from injuries. OK wow ouch on all the replies and suggestions. I will add real shots so as not to look tacky. I will also shortly post some pix & video we shot on our site, steadimount.com. If you want to do it yourself I will also include some detailed pictures. As far as structural integrity I asked the guys at Steadimount and also took the bridge plate to a mechanical engineer. As far as I heard the location of the holes that I make to hold a clamp securely to the bridge plate do not impact the integrity UNLESS you overload the arm with a rig rated higher than Steadicam specs call for. I modified a flyer...If you are extreme on your gear I offer spare Bridge assys which makes the change out QUICK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Rabin Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 should have used a moon or martian surface picture for the background. Waiting for my free Shuttle ride...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Rabin Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 You're gonna need some sort of extension on that to get the arm out there for low mode/lower shots I thinkAnd some sort of harness hopefully? Actually I get behind the Rail and put some webbing across it so I don't slip under it. I also clip myself with some webbing around one of the vertical rails. It allows me a great deal of movement and comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Rabin Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Ouch, some harsh words!!! I'd actually be very curious to see the actual unit. Is it like the WK vehicle mount??? http://www.walterklassen.com/vehiclemount.htm I wouldn't be too worried about any body coppying your idea. Most of us have either thought about making one, have made one or own one that some body else made... Post a good picture, because for 325 bucks I'd probably buy one if it looks like it would work. And YES, put your harness on when your in a moving vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes it's similar to the KLASSEN which is an EXCELLENT product that comes with a Mitchell plate. The problem was they didn't support the smaller arm of a FLYER or PILOT. So I improvised with a Pipe Clamp...It was just a bit labor intensive to line up everything perfectly and tapping threads, etc...I also had to do it without jeopardizing the structural integrity of the Bridge Plate. My configuration allows the clamp to mount Horizontally or Vertically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Rabin Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I would also like to point out that each and every photo is so obviously a fake backgroundBrian |-)~ Nuh uh! Oh... NOW I see it. Sorry, I'm new to teh interwebz. To be entirely honest, I'm not really keen on the design chosen. I myself have made a couple different designs, but I won't post them, because I copied someone else's... The aforementioned mount is a necessity, but for the simplest design, (Not the one I made by the way) all you need is to simply affix a plank to the bed of a truck with a steel/aluminum post securely attached vertical to it, nothing you can't accomplish with access to a Home Depot... The arm attaches via the mount, You straddle the post, (Harnesses are vital) and rock on. Not trying to be a dick or anything, but you've really got to get that arm outside the vehicle. Dropping the camera much lower is vital, in my opinion. *Edit - I think I misunderstood... You're just selling the mount where the arm attaches to the post, not the whole thing? The more I read it the more I think that's the case, but the pictures on your page there don't really indicate that... CORRECT, JUST THE MOUNT/CLAMP AND THE Tap, drill bit, center punch, SCREWS AND INSTRUCTIONS...and a drill template. The arm does reach outside of the vehicle. The railing is as you stated, home depot plumbing, pipes, flange etc...I originally just posted how to do it yourself but I got a flood of requests to buy it already done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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